Template:Did you know nominations/Juan Rosario Mazzone
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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
See closer's comment below.
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Juan Rosario Mazzone[edit]
... that mayor Juan Rosario Mazzone from El Bordo, Salta, in Argentina, has been impeached and removed from office?
- Reviewed: Melanie Oliver
Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 14:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC).
- DYK check shows that it is more than 1500 characters long (2603 characters). It was created as a redirect in January, and created as an article on Feb 9, and finished on Feb 11. QPQ has been done. Hook is sourced but I don't think it is particularly interesting? It does even mention why he was removed from office. I'm not sure if this is interesting enough for DYK. It's a very short article and clearly didn't exist until one month ago, meaning that hardly any people would know who this is anyway. That's my only concern with it. I'd like a second opinion, maybe it's just my personal view.
— ₳aron 12:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- DYK check shows that it is more than 1500 characters long (2603 characters). It was created as a redirect in January, and created as an article on Feb 9, and finished on Feb 11. QPQ has been done. Hook is sourced but I don't think it is particularly interesting? It does even mention why he was removed from office. I'm not sure if this is interesting enough for DYK. It's a very short article and clearly didn't exist until one month ago, meaning that hardly any people would know who this is anyway. That's my only concern with it. I'd like a second opinion, maybe it's just my personal view.
- ALT1: ... that mayor Juan Rosario Mazzone from El Bordo, Salta, in Argentina, has been impeached and removed from office because of a sex scandal? Cambalachero (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
New reviewer needed as a second opinion has been requested, and new ALT hook supplied (striking original hook). In addition, the original review did not cover neutrality, which could be an issue given a political scandal, and close paraphrasing, and the new review needs to cover both. I skimmed the article briefly, and it needs to be copyedited. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
The article reports some sensational allegations made last month by two newspapers about a minor local politician that may or may not result in a trial. This is not neutral "encyclopedic" material by any standard. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, this mayor has been impeached and removed from office, he is under trial, and the scandal has been reported by mainstream media (not just the yellow press). As for your use of the word "encyclopedic", see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Just unencyclopedic --Cambalachero (talk) 21:29, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Persons accused of crime: "For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed, or is accused of committing, a crime unless a conviction is secured." Presumably that applies very strongly in the case of DYK articles featured on the front page. This is a small-town mayor. If you take out the the accusation of committing a crime, there is nothing left in the article. When and where was he born? Where did he go to school? What does he do for a living? What makes him notable apart from being accused of this crime? Aymatth2 (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- Closer's comment: Although this is supposed to be an article about a person, as Aymatth2 notes it's missing too many basic details about him—birth, age, education, even how long he was mayor—and clearly fails WP:DYKSG#D7:
Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected.
There are also the WP:BLPCRIME and WP:BLP1E issues brought up above: this guy was the mayor of a town with a population of around 5000, and has not been convicted of a crime in a court of law (town council impeachment is not at all the same thing). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Closer's comment: Although this is supposed to be an article about a person, as Aymatth2 notes it's missing too many basic details about him—birth, age, education, even how long he was mayor—and clearly fails WP:DYKSG#D7: