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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 06:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Leslie Goonewardene

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Leslie Goonewardene
Leslie Goonewardene

References

  1. ^ Alexander, Robert Jackson (1991). International Trotskyism, 1929-1985: A Documented Analysis of the Movement. Duke University Press. ISBN 978-0-8223-1066-2.
  2. ^ Woodward, Calvin A. (1974). "Sri Lanka's Electoral Experience: From Personal to Party Politics". Pacific Affairs. 47 (4): 455–471. doi:10.2307/2755947. ISSN 0030-851X.

Improved to Good Article status by SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk). Self-nominated at 11:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC).

  • Very interesting article. Congrats on the GAN pass. Promoted to GA on July 12, 6 days before the DYK nom. Most definitely long enough. Fulfills core policies: the GAN was pretty extensive, so it seemed to check for neutrality, the sources look excellent, and there's no close paraphrasing.
  • I'm surprised the GAN didn't bring this up, and although it doesn't fall within the purview of a DYK review, I'm going to make the recommendation, anyway. Your end sections don't follow the standard WP article layout; see MOS:ORDER. For example, your "Books" section should be titled "Bibliography". Your "References" section is correct, but I don't see the books you cite (i.e., ref117: Phadnis 1971, p. 268). You need full citations for your books; see MOS:NOTES. There are different ways to do that, but you need to chose one and include it.
  • Thanks for correcting me on that! I've gone ahead and made those changes, as well as having made clearer that "books" refers to books he wrote. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • What you've done is fine for now, but it'd be more accurate to changed the "Authored books" section to "Bibliography" and "Bibliography" to "Works cited". I'd suspect that if you were to submit this article to FAC (which I recommend), they'd direct you to do the same. For DYK purposes, though, it's fine.
  • Your hooks are okay, but I would think that with such a long and interesting article about a very interesting dude, that your hooks would be more interesting. They focus on negative aspects of Goonewardene. Here are some other options:
  • Other than the above, very impressive article. Nice work. Take care of the formatting problems and consider using another hook, and it'll be good to go. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi Christine (Figureskatingfan). Thanks for these suggestions – I'm still slightly conflicted. I suggested the initial (ALT2) hook to emphasise that despite being of immense wealth, he chose to give it all away (something very much contrary to Ceylonese politicians at the time, who largely held office due to, and with the aims of preserving, their wealth and influence). It would be interesting to hear your view. Thanks, SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • My problem is its negative tone. All three hooks are basically the same, so I was trying to give you more options. How about rewording your hook so that it's more positive:
    • ALT6: ... that despite being one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka, statesman Leslie Goonewardene (pictured), re-introduced inheritance tax to the country, despite the opposition of established parliamentarians?
I just counted, and your alts are also all a little over the 200 character limit. Any of the hooks are fine, so I'll go ahead and pass this article for DYK.
  • That's fair, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk). In that case, I'd go with your suggestion (ALT6 with a couple of tweaks) – I reckon ALT6.5 may be best. Many thanks for your help!
    • ALT6.5: ... that despite being one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka, statesman Leslie Goonewardene (pictured), re-introduced inheritance tax to the country, much to the avail of established parliamentarians?
    • ALT6.6: ... that despite being one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka, statesman Leslie Goonewardene (pictured), re-introduced inheritance tax to the country, despite the opposition of established parliamentarians?
  • Hi, I came by to promote ALT6.5 (although I think it's too long), and I do not understand what much to the avail means. Please explain. Yoninah (talk) 14:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Then I suggest another ALT, which I will place above. It comes in at a little under 200 characters. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Figureskatingfan: why not just end it at the second comma? Honestly, there's too much information in this hook.
  • ALT6.7: ... that despite being one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka, statesman Leslie Goonewardene (pictured) re-introduced inheritance tax to the country? Yoninah (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Figureskkatingfan: Actually, I was just concentrating on the grammar in the hook. But after reading the article, I see that these two facts — that he was one of the largest landowners and that he re-introduced inheritance tax — are not conjoined in the article. It would make more sense to write:
  • ALT7: ... that while Leslie Goonewardene (pictured) was one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka through inheritance, he re-introduced inheritance tax to the country? Yoninah (talk) 17:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Figureskatingfan: If it checks out, please give ALT7 a tick. I'm striking everything else. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Might 7.5 suit better?
  • ALT7.5: ... that while Leslie Goonewardene (pictured) was one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka through inheritance, he re-introduced inheritance tax to the country, giving away much of his fortune? SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @SerAntoniDeMiloni: please be aware that a "hook" is just that: a way to "reel in" readers so they'll click on the article to learn more. If you pack everything into an overlong hook, there's no reason to read more. You could shorten your alt this way (and let's stop using fractions in the ALT numbering please:
  • ALT8: ... that while Leslie Goonewardene (pictured) was one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka, he gave away much of his fortune? Yoninah (talk) 10:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. Alt 7 likely works best. Many thanks, SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 10:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
  • OK. Striking unused hooks. Yoninah (talk) 10:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Returned to noms page until image licensing is sorted. Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Let's just move this forward without the photo. --evrik (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
* Hold on evrik. The correspondence is essentially complete! Apologies for the delays... SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
* No, Evrik. Multiple photos are being challenged here which are critical to the article. Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The images look lie they are going to deletion. The article is not dependent on the images. I doubt the dark image highlighted here would be selected for DYK. Let's move this forward without the image. --evrik (talk) 01:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
* Hi evrik. Images are no longer for deletion. This can be passed @Hdolf. Thanks everyone SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  • All images in the article must be correctly licensed before this can run on the main page. Yoninah (talk) 16:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi Yoninah. I believe the photos have been correctly licensed, but the OTRS would further prove that (possibly making this fall under AGF). As per my conversation with BlueMoonset, I've been speaking to the photo author who's been going through the OTRS, and it seems that he's been having some timing issues. He hasn't received a response to an email reply he sent 7 days ago, and the process seems to be going in circles, with the same questions being asked. Thanks for all your patience. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 08:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy pings: @Figureskatingfan, Yoninah, Evrik, and Flibirigit: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:52, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. Yah, I'm okay with no image. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: it's not just about the hook. We can't have an article featured on the main page with an incorrectly licensed image. Let's wait out the OTRS permission process. Yoninah (talk) 17:52, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:. No worries – I've spoken to the author and it seems the process is taking a while with OTRS. The author hasn't received a response from OTRS in over a week. I'll keep this thread updated. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Would removing the image in the meantime work? The image could always be restored if the OTRS thing passes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes but probably also in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tc csdnew 07:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
I'd be open to removing the hook image, but not article images. As a GA, the article (which is quite dense) requires the images to be legible SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:21, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that none of the images are up for deletion anymore. That is irrespective of the OTRS. If images are OTRS pending, and not up for deletion, I am of the belief that good faith should be assumed. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Approving Alt 7 without the image. --evrik (talk) 03:16, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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