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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Malayanil

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  • ... that Gujarati writer Malayanil pioneered the modern Gujarati short story writing? Source: "Das, Sisir Kumar (2005). History of Indian Literature. Sahitya Akademi. pp. 309, 658. ISBN 9788172010065

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Yes
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
  • Other problems: No - (1) Since all of the cited sources are off-line or non-English, it would be helpful to include a citation after each sentence. This will also be critical for a copy editor to rearrange sentences. (2) The following sentences need to be refined: "It is considered as the first modern short story in Gujarati. The story was praised for its humour, characterisations, theme and plot." In both cases, the question is: By whom? For the first sentence, it may be fine to say "generally considered" given the sources appear to support that. For the second sentence, was it praised by: contemporaries or later writers, critics, etc.; generally or by a particular individual?

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - Is it neutral to say he "pioneered Gujarati short story writing" versus "was a pioneer of ..."? This source appears to refer to a dispute over who is considered to be "the pioneer of the short story in Gujarati" (emphasis added), but I can't see the full sentence to be able to judge.
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Is there any reason the photograph, File:Kanchalal Vasudev Mehta Malayanil.jpg, should not be included with the DYK hook?

QPQ: No - Pending.
Overall: The article generally meets DYK criteria but needs to be copy edited (requested by the nom here). Sourcing is partly verified and partly accepted in good faith, given nearly all sources are off-line or non-English. The only statements I could personally verify (relying on a machine translation of one source) were: he was born Kanchanlal Vasudev Mehta, raised in Ahmedabad, received a BA in Science, was unable to take his M.Lit. exam in Bombay due to illness, married Bhanumati, wrote "Govalani", was a/the pioneer of the non-didactic modern Gujarati short story, and died in Ahmadebad. The hook is interesting, as is the article overall. The question of "pioneered" (which reads like "the pioneer") versus "a pioneer" could be a non-issue, or one easily addressed by slightly rephrasing the hook and associated sentence in the article. QPQ is pending. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Black Falcon: I made changes in hook and in article: "a pioneer". I have also refined to above mentioned sentence. I have not added references to each and every sentence because it will unnecessarily clutter the paragraph when whole paragraph is based on that source. I have added references at the end of a sentence or a group of sentences. Regarding dispute of a pioneer, there is a consensus that he was a pioneer of "modern" short story writing in Gujarati. I will add note about this. Poor quality image so not included here. I will soon complete QPQ. QPQ ongoing added. Proposed refine hook below: -Nizil (talk) 07:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Indian writer Malayanil was a pioneer of modern short story writing in Gujarati?
Thanks for your response. All content issues are addressed, so ALT1 is ready pending completion of QPQ. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Black Falcon, the QPQ review appears to have been completed, though Nizil Shah never posted that fact here. Please return when you can to wrap up your review. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @BlueMoonset:. I forgot to mention it here. @Black Falcon:, have a look.-Nizil (talk) 04:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
QPQ done. ALT1 is ready to go. Thanks for this article on an interesting historical figure! -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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