Template:Did you know nominations/Pierre Thouvenot

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Pierre Thouvenot[edit]

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... that General Pierre Thouvenot was responsible for one of the last actions of the Peninsular War? (pictured)

ALT1: ... that General Pierre Thouvenot was branded a blackguard by the Duke of Wellington?
Reviewed: Bread Street Kitchen, Apterostigma eowilsoni, Jim Hart (artist)
Comment: New article created in user space and pasted over a former redirect to a list.

Created by Ykraps (talk). Self nominated at 21:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

Seaches for caused and began don't find me the text supporting the hook. Can you quote it? Or maybe, more generally, the problem is... what does "responsible for" mean in this context? EEng (talk) 03:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Under the sub-heading, Battle of Bayonne,"Thouvenot, on the morning of 14 April, attacked the British siege lines with 6,000 men", then a little later on, "The sortie proved to be the last major action of the Peninsular War". As the garrison's commanding officer, Thouvenot ordered the sortie, which is why he alone was heavily criticised.--Ykraps (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I predict you're going to need to either conform the hook more closely to the wording of the article, or vice-versa, to get this approved. EEng (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I have put the two pieces of information together and rewritten the hook to mirror almost exactly the words in the article.--Ykraps (talk) 22:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The reviewer will thank you. But don't change hooks "in place" because it makes nonsense of our discussion so far. I've put your new hook below. EEng (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you not reviewing it?--Ykraps (talk) 06:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that General Pierre Thouvenot ordered a sortie (pictured) that proved to be one of the last actions of the Peninsular War?
- What's the image of? Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  - The Sortie from Bayonne, at Three in the Morning, on the 14th April, 1814, by William Heath engraved by Thomas Sutherland.--Ykraps (talk) 22:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
    - Let me rephrase. How does the picture relate to the hook? Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
      - The sortie from Bayonne was the last action of the Peninsular War. I apologise if this sounds rude but have you read the article? I am somewhat concerned that this isn't abundantly clear.--Ykraps (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
        From the DYK rules: the first item "hook" should be modified to include (pictured) (or perhaps (pictured, flag of Zdxyrastan) or whatever) in the appropriate place to make the connection to the image. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
        Ah, I see. I have added, (pictured) to the first and third suggestions. It is, of course, not relevant to Alt 1. Thanks--Ykraps (talk) 17:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
New enough (expanded 17 August), long enough (6,475 characters), fully referenced. All three hooks fine (ALT1 does not use the image). AGF on offline sources. Image has a valid licence on Commons. QPQ done. Good to go. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)