Template:Did you know nominations/SS Jarvis Lord

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

SS Jarvis Lord

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Jarvis Lord in Point Edward, Ontario

... that the wooden freighter Jarvis Lord (pictured) was one of the first lake freighters ever built? Sunken Jarvis Lord discovered in Manitou Passage Northern Michigan in Focus: The Jarvis Lord Shipwreck
- ALT1:... that the wooden lake freighter Jarvis Lord (pictured) sank on Lake Michigan in 1885 after a suspected grounding on the North Manitou Island shoal? Sunken Jarvis Lord discovered in Manitou Passage Northern Michigan in Focus: The Jarvis Lord Shipwreck

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Butler Building
Comment: I prefer the lead hook. ~~Article is a work in progress.~~

Created by GreatLakesShips (talk). Self-nominated at 01:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC).

Hi GreatLakesShips, this article cannot currently be featured in the DYK section. Per the standard rules the text must be of minimum 1,500 characters length (I count around 1,200 here) and each paragraph (as a minimum) must have an inline citation. If you can expand the article a little and add some citations I'd be more than happy to take another look - Dumelow (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: I will start expanding it. GreatLakesShips (talk) 13:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, let me know when you're done. Sorry, I messed up with the formatting earlier that hid some of my comments; now fixed - Dumelow (talk) 13:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Is this enough for the time being? Of course it is still a work in progress, but I should complete the article soon. GreatLakesShips (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi GreatLakesShips, the article is coming along excellently. I'm more than happy to wait for you to fill out the remaining sections before review, there's no deadline - Dumelow (talk) 17:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Thank you very much, I should have it finished pretty quickly. GreatLakesShips (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: The article is complete. GreatLakesShips (talk) 17:58, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi GreatLakesShips, sorry for delay, I have been away over Christmas. Article now looks excellent. Created 15 December; greatly exceeds minimum length; I am not familiar with the sources used but happy to AGF that they are reliable for this field; inline citations are used throughout; Earwig flags some similarity with the Scuba News and Michigan Mysteries articles but I've reviewed these and they look to be largely unavoidable/coincidental; image lacks a US copyright notice over at Commons; hooks are both OK, check out to the source and mentioned in the article (I've added an explicit mention of "lake freighter" to the main text, the grounding has only been suspected by a modern report not at the time but the nuance is probably too much to get into the hook); a QPQ has been carried out. OK to run as is without image, image can be used if the copyright tag is addressed - Dumelow (talk) 10:22, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Thanks for reviewing. To my knowledge, this copyright tag is also acceptable as the image has been taken over 120 years ago, and the author's identity is unknown. This image from another one of my articles with the same license appeared on the main page earlier this month, and the reviewer agreed that it was free to use. GreatLakesShips (talk) 13:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi GreatLakesShips. That other image should have been picked up at review. To be hosted on Commons the image needs to be public domain in the origin country and in the US (where the Commons servers are hosted). The current tag only indicates that it is free in Canada, hence the small print: "You must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States". The policy is outlined at Commons:Licensing. Hopefully one of the American tags at Commons:Commons:Copyright_tags/Country-specific_tags#United_States_of_America applies? - Dumelow (talk) 13:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: I have put a US tag on both of the images. To my knowledge, neither of them have ever been published prior to 2003. Should I exchange the images, or is that no longer possible? GreatLakesShips (talk) 13:47, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi GreatLakesShips, not sure what you mean by "exchange the images" but this should be OK to run with the image now - Dumelow (talk) 14:13, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: You said the other image should have been picked up. I assume that you meant the other image included in the article is more suitable. GreatLakesShips (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry GreatLakesShips, I meant that the lack of a US license should have been spotted by the reviewer of Template:Did you know nominations/SS S.R. Kirby. This image is the best one for this article. It'd probably be worthwhile going back and adding US licenses to File:S.R. Kirby fitting out (1).jpg and any other similar images or else they will (eventually) be queried for deletion at Commons - Dumelow (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Thanks for clearing that up. I will go and correct the license. GreatLakesShips (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)