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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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Sam Pittman

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Created by Mackensen (talk). Self-nominated at 03:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough (nominated day of creation), neutral, and long enough. AGF on offline source. Earwig doesn't detect any significant copyvios. Mackensen, please ping me when QPQ is done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • HickoryOughtShirt?4, for future reference, nominations missing their QPQ (but pass all the other criteria) should be given this "?" icon, not a tick. Both ticks mean that the nomination is ready for immediate promotion to prep, which this is not. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • sorry, I left it because I already used the AGF tick so I didn’t realize I had to do it again. It’s still AGF because of the offline source. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 20:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but who is Rex Ryan? Is he so famous that everyone will know what this hook is talking about? Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I would say that he's famous in the United States, and our article on him is FA-status. I wouldn't be opposed to including the descriptor "fellow football coach". Mackensen (talk) 20:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mackensen: well, even with that, the hook isn't hooky IMO. I think the part about his exclamation "Yesss" could be fashioned into a hook that non-sports fans could relate to. Yoninah (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The mental image of Rex Ryan flying Pittman on his own dime to build a children's fort in his backyard, to Ryan's specification because Ryan can't use tools, is hilarious. I would also add that most accounts of Pittman that I've read over the last month (since his hiring) haven't picked up on this anecdote, though it's been in print for seven years. I think anyone with children, or anyone who has been a child, can relate to someone building a fort, or in general the concept of home improvement projects. Building forts isn't something that generally falls within the duties of a football coach. Mackensen (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mackensen: Fine. But your hook doesn't say any of that. It doesn't say he flew him in, it doesn't say it was a children's fort. It just says some nondescript fact that has no hookiness to it. Yoninah (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Well, it was already 98 characters as-is, and I was having trouble with the wording at the time. I have proposed a longer version as ALT1, since the action shifts to Rex Ryan. Mackensen (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mackensen: Thank you. Do you know what year this happened? Was Pittman the head football coach at the time? Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I do not; the source doesn't give one, unfortunately. Given that Rex Ryan was in Maryland at the time, it was during Ryan's tenure with the Baltimore Ravens (1999–2008), well prior to Pittman becoming a head coach. I realize the wording of ALT1 can imply that Pittman was a head coach when this happened, where the first hook makes it clearer this event occurred in the past. I don't presently have bright ideas about resolving the ambiguity, but the article does make the timeline clear. Mackensen (talk) 21:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Mackensen: well, then, we're down to:
  • ALT1a: ... that Rex Ryan once flew fellow American football coach Sam Pittman to his house to build a fort for Ryan's children? Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I think that's a great hook; that he's the new coach at Arkansas isn't relevant for it and there's not much to say about his tenure there anyway. Thanks for taking the time to get this right. Mackensen (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Offline source for ALT1a AGF and cited inline. Rest of review per HickoryOughtShirt?4. ALT1a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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