Template:Did you know nominations/Tomegoro Yoshizumi
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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 10:47, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
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Tomegoro Yoshizumi
[edit]... that Tomegoro Yoshizumi deserted Japan and aligned to Indonesia as he joined with Tan Malaka group when he called as Arif? Source: https://historia.id/persona/articles/tomegoro-yoshizumi-intel-negeri-sakura-vZrnv
Created by Glorious Engine (talk). Self-nominated at 00:24, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Right off the bat, the article is not long enough and falls well below the minimum threshold of 1500 characters. That unfortunately means the article will have to be rejected. FiendYT ★ 06:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
This appears to be the nominator's first nomination, so I don't think we should close this nomination just yet. Right now the article is just under 1000 characters, so 1500 shouldn't be too hard to reach. @Glorious Engine: Will you be able to expand the article further? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Done --Glorious Engine (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)- @Glorious Engine: @Narutolovehinata5: @FiendYT: I've done a bit of adding and copyediting. It's above 2k prose now I believe. Juxlos (talk) 01:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Indeed, I'll review the nomination later tonight. Thanks for the ping! FiendYT ★ 02:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry for the inconvenience, I won't be able to review this nomination. Could anyone else take this nomination? FiendYT ★ 01:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to ask Juxlos if he's willing to be included as a co-creator due to the expansion he did (disclosure: he edited the article after I notified him about the article on Discord). Due to this, I'm not sure if I can take over reviewing here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:39, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry for the inconvenience, I won't be able to review this nomination. Could anyone else take this nomination? FiendYT ★ 01:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
New reviewer needed; previous one is unable to do a full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
New, long enough, properly cited and written, no plagiarism. I took the liberty of correcting some leftover grammatical errors and tweaked phrasing for coherent flow, also added some context for the causal reader -- please make sure to check if Yoshizumi was indeed fighting the Dutch (it could not have been the Japanese Army in 1948, and I doubt Japanese holdouts were on the anti-Indonesian side). QPQ does not appear to be required. The proposed hook is ungrammatical, I'm afraid, and doesn't really highlight the interesting tidbit. I propose:
- ALT 1: ... that Japanese spy Tomegoro Yoshizumi died as an Indonesian guerilla fighter during the National Revolution? Dahn (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Dahn: New alt looks good - which part so you mean by 1948? Juxlos (talk) 16:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Well, it says in the article that he died in 1948, and I think this is also in the source used. The article also stated that he died fighting the Japanese army, which is very very very unlikely; he was probably killed in combat with the KNIL, but the source used doesn't spell that out (probably because it is implicit?). Dahn (talk) 16:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Dahn: Technically only KNIL would be possible - but for all we know, he was killed in an accident or by other armed groups of that era. Just to be safe, I removed the details and just mentioned what the sources are "sure" about. Juxlos (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Speaking of which I just found a new source of sorts, so the article might change a bit. Juxlos (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Great. I'll have a looksie when you've incorporated it. And thank you! Dahn (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Dahn: I sort of overran it a bit but I think the new sources should be done now. Juxlos (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Also alternative Alts: ALT2: ...that a Japanese spy helped compose the Declaration of Indonesian Independence? and ALT3: ...that Tomegoro Yoshizumi recruited intelligence agents from brothels? Juxlos (talk) 20:31, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Great. I'll have a looksie when you've incorporated it. And thank you! Dahn (talk) 18:07, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Well, it says in the article that he died in 1948, and I think this is also in the source used. The article also stated that he died fighting the Japanese army, which is very very very unlikely; he was probably killed in combat with the KNIL, but the source used doesn't spell that out (probably because it is implicit?). Dahn (talk) 16:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Dahn: New alt looks good - which part so you mean by 1948? Juxlos (talk) 16:38, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that Japanese spy Tomegoro Yoshizumi died as an Indonesian guerilla fighter during the National Revolution? Dahn (talk) 15:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
