Template:Did you know nominations/We Belong Together (Randy Newman song)

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

We Belong Together (Randy Newman song)[edit]

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Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Hook is properly formatted. Hook is interesting given the subject. Has reviewed another DYK. Article expanded 5 fold on February 3, nomination date. Article is reasonably neutral. Article has a inline citations supporting most of the text.Plagiarism check here, here, here, here, here. No concerns. Citation supports hook. No images for copyright concerns.
  • One paragraph is lacking a source. The section cannot be removed to fix the uncited problem with out the article going to short. Will comment to nominator asking for section to be sourced.

Once a citation is added for the one fact, DYK should be ready to go. --LauraHale (talk) 06:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

  • If the uncited fact is not relevant to the hook, is it required that I find a source. I remain unable to find one at this time.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • My understanding of DYKs is they all need to be completely cited. If alternative text to make up the length is found and supported by the text, I'm okay with that... but it needs to be completely cited and 1500 characters. --LauraHale (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
DYK stipulates minimum one reference per paragraph. Hook facts need to be cited at the end of the sentence, which may be an additional ref in the paragraph. Sometimes, you can combine paragraphs if you're unable to find a specific reference to establish something you know to be true, but of course, the reference is preferred. The template asking for a citation should be used when a statement is being disputed, not just to indicate a paragraph has no citations. I have tweaked the hook to add a missing article and a comma before "but". —Marrante (talk) 13:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I added that {{cn}} tag 10 days ago to see if Tony would actually deal with it. If we are saying that an article charted, we should reference that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I am not sure what your point is, but I just don't know how to find a ref for that sentence. In order to meet DYK requirements, I will track down a ref for one of the first two sentences in that paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I removed all the uncited text in the article. The length is now "1187 characters (210 words)", which means it does not meet DYK length. I'm okay with adding text back in that is cited to get it back up to length since at the time of the nomination, it was the length. If this not done quickly and since the nominator indicates problems with finding sources, it might be worth considering removing to the no pile. : / --LauraHale (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I find that decision to be quite abnormal. I think everyone believes that the ranking was factually correct. If you want to understand my problem, put "Randy Newman" in this search bar. It is not like I am just being lazy. I go to the source and something is wrong with their database. What am I suppose to do?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • The article needs to be 1) of length, 2) supported by sources. When the unsourced material is removed, the article is too short. If the unsourced material is added in, then it fails to be fully sourced. Your option that I'd still pass on is this: Find a reference that allows you to add facts to the article that will get you back up to length. (And keep the unsourced material out, at least until the article appears as DYK.) If you can do that with new material, I'll pass it. One of the people who moves things to prep can over rule this and send it anyway if they want. --LauraHale (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll see if I can scrounge some other content, but there is not really that much out there. However, if the unsourced content is suitable for return to the article later (presumably because it is not really disputed), why isn't it O.K. to include as a DYK?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Criteria says: "cites sources with inline citations ". The article does not do this. Thus, it does not meet the guidelines. It can be put back in with a [citation needed] tag because Wikipedia has a lot of tags. It is far from ideal, and really needs a source whether it is a DYK or not because facts on Wikipedia should be verifiable. --LauraHale (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Article is not long enough when uncited material is removed. When uncited material left in, "cites sources with inline citations" is not met. No indication this can be fixed because of source availability and time of the nominator. --LauraHale (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I added a paragraph. Even if you remove the final paragraph, it is now 1558 characters.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:55, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I have well over 500 DYK credits and have never seen anyone remove every uncited sentence before passing an article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Time for a re-review? --PFHLai (talk) 06:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

This is now good to go. I did a few minor fixes, and also removed the last two sentences about the UK chart performance, as I couldn't find a record of this in the Official Charts Company archive, and none of my libraries have a copy of the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles. As it was a low entry in the charts, I don't think this is essential information, so it can always be added later. For now, it's ready for the front page. Moswento (talk | contribs) 10:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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