Template talk:Infobox U.S. county
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|This template was considered for merging with Template:Infobox settlement on 31 December 2014. The result of the discussion was "do not merge".|
Request to support auto calculation of Density
It would be nice if the "density_sq_mi" field supported "auto" to automatically calculate the density, similar to how "Template:Infobox settlement" does it. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 23:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Congressional districts - Arkansas' vs Arkansas's
The proper usage is Arkansas's (due to the silent s), i.e., Arkansas's 1st congressional district. Currently, this template links to Arkansas' 1st congressional district, which is incorrect. You may want to change this:
The template handles proper placement of the apostrophe in the article name for states ending in the letter "s" (Arkansas, Illinois, Kansas, Massachusetts, Texas).
- It's actually not that important. The template only displays the district without any possessive. In fact, the articles for all states use the final s (Texas's 1st congressional district), so it doesn't really have anything to do with pronunciation. All the redirects exist to all the articles (I checked them myself a while ago). Any change to the template wouldn't actually change any functionality at this point. kennethaw88 • talk 04:57, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
- true, but using the same logic for all states would actually reduce the complexity of the template. I will see if we can reduce the number of unnecessary redirects generated by this template. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- now fixed. all links now use the same pattern. Frietjes (talk) 14:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Should population be from decennial census, census estimate or both
CensusBot is changing articles for U.S. counties, replacing the decennial census data with the 2016 census estimate. The template forces a choice between the two values, by forcing a choice between the parameter "census yr" for the decennial census and "census estimate yr" for census estimate. Template:Infobox settlement allows population data to be entered for both. Given the inherent inaccuracy of the estimates, why should we be forced to choose between displaying either decennial census data or the latest census estimate, when we can make both available? Alansohn (talk) 14:30, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- As I've said in the past, "Template:Infobox U.S. county" needs to be modified to make population fields similar to "Template:Infobox settlement", in that both decennial and estimate should be 2 different fields so both can be displayed at the same time (same as "settlement" infobox used in city articles). New fields could be added to this template, then add logic to determine if old or new fields are being used. If new fields are being used ,then only use new fields, otherwise use old fields. This would allow an incremental conversion instead of immediately breaking a mountain of county articles. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 17:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- PROPOSED NEW FIELDS
- "population_footnotes" - same as "settlement" for decennial use.
- "population_as_of" - same as "settlement" for decennial use.
- "population_total" - same as "settlement" for decennial use.
- "pop_est_footnotes" - same as "settlement".
- "pop_est_as_of" - same as "settlement".
- "pop_est_total"- different than "settlement", fixed name to be similar format as "population_total" name.
I agree with Sbmeirow that the "Infobox settlement" template is better suited to handle this distinction today. For that template, CensusBot only adds the population_estimate numbers and leaves the decennial information alone if it's already present (the bot could also update the decennial numbers in the future, but that task only happens once every 10 years). In the absence of the new fields proposed, I would suggest displaying the population estimate. While they're not a full census count, the U.S. Census estimates incorporate births, deaths, Federal tax returns, medicare enrollment, and immigration. These are the same numbers that are used officially for Federal funding allocations, in setting the levels of national surveys, and in monitoring recent demographic changes. -- Logan-Census (talk) 16:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
Greetings and felicitations. Would someone please change the following fields and their output:
- "ZIP codes" to "ZIP Codes", per the Post Office's official servicemark spelling/capitalization?
- The time zone output so that it displays minus signs (−) instead of hyphens (-) (e.g., "−6/−7")?—DocWatson42 (talk) 07:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
What does "largest city" mean?
What is the "largest city" supposed to include? As seen in this edit to the article for Cape May County, New Jersey, I have used the field to include both the largest by population and the largest by area, which may not be the same. I've included the largest by size / population for all municipalities in the county, while the other editor believes that it can only be a municipality incorporated as a city.
- Sorry to tell you, whether it is specified or not, from what I've seen in all Kansas county articles, the LARGEST CITY means a city with the highest population at the last official decade census. I would say that all unincorporated communities are excluded. Though some township governments merge with city governments, I would say that if they are NOT the same, then the city name would be used instead of township name. If some type of complex merge, then would need to investigate: New Jersey state law definitions, U.S. Census boundaries of each, and U.S. Census population count of each would need to be investigated. U.S Census is the official source for all populations counts in Wikipedia. Incorporated communities are defined on page 9-6 of this document, in New Jersey the "largest city" field should only be a City, Town, Village, Borough places. A township is not one of these types of things, sorry. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 21:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- When I see a form ask for city, state and ZIP Code, I put in my place of residence, which happens to be a township; I am not obligated to enter the name of a city. There is no evidence that the term "city" specified here is limited to only those places incorporated as cities. I'm not sure what "complex merge" is causing you such great anxiety, but every one of the 565 municipalities in New Jersey is incorporated as a municipality / minor civil division -- be it a city, town, borough, village or even a township -- and has its population and area tracked rather well by the United States Census Bureau. I'm not sure what your issue is here, given the definitions and sources you, yourself, cite. Alansohn (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
- Request for comment from other editors! • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:16, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- It should be an incorporated community with the largest population. The most populated place is more notable. The town with the largest land area in many counties may only have 10 people in it. I think the Census Bureau document probably made an error. There are only a handful of towns in New Jersey and most are smaller than townships. Perhaps the Census Bureau assumed that towns and townships were the same thing.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)