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Club information section[edit]

Yesterday I changed "Current team" to "Current club" on the basis that teams and clubs are different, and that club was the more appropriate use (Manchester United is a club, not a team). PeeJay2K3 quite rightly pointed out to me that this parameter is used for international managers, so should remain as "Current team". However, I then noticed that the entire section that this falls under is titled "Club information", so the infobox is inaccurate in all cases at the moment (players like Luke Hyam have "current team" instead of "current club" and international managers like Roy Hodgson have their jobs under "Club information").

I propose adding an "international=yes" parameter that switches "Club" to "team" in both cases when it's used (on international manager articles). I've trialled this in the sandbox, with the results in the testcases page (note that the current version still uses "Current team" instead of "Current club", but I would also change that when making the edit). If people are happy with it, I'll implement it and update the 200 or so national manager articles. Cheers Number 57 16:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

This makes sense, but don't forget about all the other people associated with national teams (i.e. under-21s managers, assistant coaches, etc.) when you make those changes. I have to wonder, however, whether there's a simpler solution than adding the switch. Perhaps a fundamental reorganisation of the sections? – PeeJay 09:06, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Weight[edit]

Should the weight of a player be included on this template? This is information most clubs provide in player profiles. AndrewK760 (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

No, definitely not - one there are no RS which adequately cover it, secondly it is variable (unlike height), and thirdly is it trivial (unlike height, which is constantly discussed in media). GiantSnowman 18:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
(ec) I'd say no. Firstly I can't see how it's really relevant (unless they're 15 stone or something). Plus, unlike height, it's something that varies even over short periods of time, so could never be deemed reliable for long. Number 57 18:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd think it would be included as an appropriately placed, undocumented parameter in the template. It would be something that shouldn't "normally" be used except in rare cases where you have someone who's weight is a heavily reported aspect of them in regards to their position because it is way out from the "normal" weight range for that position. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 19:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
    • The problem with including it at all, let alone as an undocumented parameter, is that people will notice it exists for one player and think that it should be included for all, which will lead to the inevitable arguments about which sources and units to use. And for a player whose weight (apparently) fluctuates over time, such as Ronaldo or Anderson, which weight do we report? The one they were at at the peak of their career or the one for which their weight finally became notable? We might report a player's weight when he gets really fat, but what happens when he slims down again? Do we remove the weight we reported or continue reporting him as a fatty? But as I've told numerous editors in the past, fear of misuse of a parameter isn't a reason to include it in a template; therefore, I say the main reason we shouldn't include it is that it's simply not a relevant stat for most players; some clubs record it, some leagues do, but not all, and that indicates to me that weight isn't particularly important in football. If it were that important to an individual, it could be written about in the prose for that individual, I just don't think it should go in the infobox. – PeeJay 22:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)