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An IP keeps grouping certain games together arbitrarily, stating that Super Mario 64, Sunshine, and the Galaxy games are in the same "subseries." The IP has cited a Wikipedia article as the basis of grouping those games together, which is inappropriate. What are some other opinions? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

My concerns are:
  1. At the Super Mario (series) article, there's enough arguments over which games are considered Super Mario. Classifying it further will lead to further arguments.
  2. The current way of organizing - making them "console" or "handheld" is completely objective and clear cut. Again, splitting them out like the IP was suggesting, requires far more interpretation... Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Right now, that particular portion of the template looks and feels rather disorganised and fails to establish that some games are part of an easily recognised subseries. I notice that the only seemingly offending example cited was the grouping of Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and Galaxy 2. Neither these, nor the others, were grouped "arbitrarily": those four were grouped because they all share an identical core gameplay mechanic with slight alterations between each (the FLUDD in Sunshine, for example), whilst taking into account cited information in Super Mario 64#Sequels. Despite that, I will concede that those four games were released far enough apart for their alleged relation to be nebulous. However, all other groupings were made due to obvious relation suggested by title: there is no reason to separate the four Super Mario Bros. games, the three Super Mario World games, the two Super Mario Land games, the four New Super Mario Bros. games, the two 3D games, or even the two Galaxy games (even if you can't group the latter with 64 and Sunshine, you can definitely pair them up), much less fragment them by the type of media device. The template, as it is, implies one (or two) big, contiguous series of games without regard to how they differ or how they're related. (talk) 22:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Sharing core gameplay mechanics does not imply they're in the same series. If so, then it is easy to say that Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario Sunshine are in the same "series," because they are 3D titles with emphasis on platforming. At least one of the sources you mentioned (this one, the others are videos which I can't verify at the moment) does not support the claim that the four 3D games are in the same series. There is no mention in the source that Sunshine is a "sequel" to 64 or that the games are in a series, other than building on 64's mechanics. It was also published in 2002, way before Galaxy and Galaxy 2, so it can't be used to support that the claim that those two games are in the same series either. Separating by Console and Handheld is the most objective way to classify the games. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2014[edit] (talk) 02:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Advance, Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2, and Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 should be included[edit]

You guys have Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Bros. 3: Super Mario Advance 4, and Super Mario 64 DS but not the remakes of Super Mario Bros. 2 (US version) Super Mario World, or Yoshi's Island? ( (talk) 02:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC))

We can only list titles that are stand-alone Wikipedia articles already. Stickee (talk) 12:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)