Template talk:User sandbox

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Template-protected edit request on 28 July 2024

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Currently, two pages are in Category:Non-userspace pages using User sandbox. Both of them are in fact in userspace, but populate the maintenance category due to their use of demospace (with non-namespace parameters, i.e. not for their intended purpose, in both cases). As this appears to be both unintuitive for newcomers and complicating the cleanup of Category:Pages with templates in the wrong namespace, I propose that the demospace parameter be made so that it still shows the error message, but doesn't populate Category:Non-userspace pages using User sandbox if the page is still in userspace.

This could be done, for instance, by replacing <includeonly>[[Category:Non-userspace pages using User sandbox]]</includeonly> with <includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|User||[[Category:Non-userspace pages using User sandbox]]}}</includeonly>. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaotic Enby the non-userspace category is empty - is this still desired? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712 It's great that it's empty now, but it could still be an improvement to prevent sandboxes from incorrectly populating backlog categories in the future. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sohom (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 6 September 2024

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Please implement my changes in the Template:User sandbox/sandbox.

The reason for this change is to provide for convenient navigation between the different sandboxes on Wikipedia and a person's user sandbox.

Also, protect the navigation template after transclusion please. Awesome Aasim 23:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly completed: this is not the correct venue to protect a page. Please go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection to request protection. In the meantime I have added |navbar=plain to the new navigation template to remove the V · T · E links. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I object to the addition of a navbox in this non-standard location. In addition to being a strange place for a navbox, it causes problems if this template is preceded by an indenting character such as : or *. If you want to put in a small list of other likely pages, that's fine, but not a whole navbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree. I don't see any value for example in having 10 images listed there, or 20 X templates for example. It's also strange to have a nested navigation template in a banner. Gonnym (talk) 08:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's consensus, and so

reverted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's discuss a little more.

I feel like there is a convenience aspect to having such a navbox in the sandbox. It makes jumping between sandboxes easier.

Maybe a "type" parameter would be good? One type could give just the two small links, another type could give the full navbox, and another type could give nothing. The default could then be set based on consensus. Awesome Aasim 15:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not object to something like |type=expanded as an option. It should not be the default. If the expanded version contains a navbox, the documentation should explain that it is not compatible with any sort of indenting markup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but the default should not include the clunky navbox. From a practicality standpoint, information banners are not the place where navbox fit best, and this addition, if it goes through, shouldn't retroactively impact all current use cases. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 13 September 2024

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Description of suggested change: Add {Redirect} to top of template?

Add: <noinclude>{{Redirect|WP:USB|the page about Wikipedia Userboxes|Wikipedia:Userboxes}}</noinclude>

To top of page? Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 22:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Sohom (talk) 22:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are the use cases for noindex=no?

I don't see any legitimate reason for having a sandbox in userspace indexed by search engines. Unless anyone knows better, this functionality should be removed, as userspace is WP:NOINDEXed by default. Paradoctor (talk) 17:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding this, I'm surprised that things in userspace can be indexed to begin with. I guess some userspace essays might be, but they don't fit the use cases for sandboxes, which are basically a userspace draft. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. No issues with appropriate userspace essays being indexed, but not sandboxes. Sdkb ^talk 23:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 9 October 2024

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Description of suggested change: Remove the __NOINDEX__ functionality, per consensus at § What are the use cases for noindex=no?.

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Paradoctor (talk) 18:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Sdkb ^talk 19:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]