User talk:Mewulwe

Czechia (one-word name of the Czech Republic)

You cannot simply erase it and redirect empty page to "Czech Republic" (it is incredibly arrogant !!!!!!), it is the article about the NAME with many references and description of objective reality. On that article cooperated many specialistsNeewi (talk) 10:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

It is a nonsensical piece of POV-pushing, so I can. Mewulwe (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Nonsensical is your attitude. It is probably very uncomfortable for you to read facts, so they must be erased - the truth is sometimes unbearable, is not it ?

Czech Republic

For the record, I agree with you that "Czechia" should not be mentioned in the lead- I just want to discuss it on the talk page and reach a consensus because there doesn't seem to be a clear one at the moment. Please use the talk page before making edits like that please (or at least after you are reverted the first time). Once again, I agree with you completely. The Dominator^Talk_Edits 04:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you should read the talk archives. This was settled years ago. Someone must have recently reintroduced Czechia without consensus. Mewulwe (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Really? Cause I read the archives yesterday and this is the section where it was discussed: Talk:Czech Republic/Archive1#The name Czechia, and it certainly does not seem like an official consensus. Can you please point out an official discussion and completed !vote on the talk page that shows a consensus to exclude the name? The Dominator^Talk_Edits 16:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Birth dates etc.

Thanks for the good work you're doing picking up unreferenced birth dates! I noticed you doing it on a couple of pages I'd edited. Best, Dsp13 (talk) 00:38, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, except you are adding them back referring to sources which themselves got them from Wikipedia. To reference a date that has already been on Wikipedia, you need to find a source that either dates from before the date was added to Wikipedia, or obviously maintains an impeccable standard of accuracy, so that there is no suspicion it would ever take information from Wikipedia. Mewulwe (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It's increasingly a problem for web sources - and indeed recent sources in general. Journalists routinely copy from WP, and I've also sometimes noticed academic articles doing so. (The problem there is that they're embarrassed about doing it, and so don't knowledge their source. At least the Library of Congress Name Authority file, when it takes WP as a source, says so.) I may have made the wrong judgement about Election Politique Citoyen - it looked at first sight independent of the WP page Kurt Tibbetts (which since I touched it has also become crazily swollen by puff about his Lions Club involvement!). But KT's birthdate was added 3 September 2008 by an IP user, which is plenty of time for it to have been copied around the web indiscriminately. Bayle's initial idea for the Dictionnaire Historique et Critique was to compile a dictionary entirely composed of exposing published falsehoods. We need his reincarnation. So thanks again. Dsp13 (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

This is much better, thank you. DVdm (talk) 19:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Daily Times

Daily Times is a reliable source, please discuss before reverting. Thanks!--- Managerarc ^talk 17:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I did discuss it in the inline comment. Go and find a real source before reverting. Mewulwe (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Ahmed Shafik

All the previous Egytian Prime Ministers bios infoboxes use the numbering. If you don't stop now, I'll report you to the 'Edit warring noticeboard'. GoodDay (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. All the other articles need to be reverted as well. Egyptian prime ministers carry no numbers. Adding numbers based on your own count is OR. You'd need a source explicitly describing him as 58th PM. Good luck with that. Incidentally, I noticed you edited Rhodri Morgan - I wonder why you didn't make him "1st First Minister of Wales"! Mewulwe (talk) 17:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

They add up to 58. I did make Morgan 1st, but a group editors are against me. GoodDay (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Gee, I wonder why. They may add up to 58 according to some list, but if the list is erroneous then so are the numbers. Mewulwe (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Well then, let's remove the numbering from 'all' the Egyptian PM infoboxes. Not just Sharfik's, agreed? GoodDay (talk) 18:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, and also from all the other categories you added numbers too. U.S. presidents are almost the only ones who properly have numbers. Mewulwe (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Nope, just the Egyptian Prime Ministers. We don't want you starting up a 'fight' across the whole project. GoodDay (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

So much for "Consistancy is important to me." Mewulwe (talk) 18:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I agreed to remove the numbering from the Egyptian PMs, so quit while you're ahead. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't pretend you just agreed as a compromise. You were wrong, and not just about the Egyptian PMs. Mewulwe (talk) 18:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Freundel Stuart

He's the 7th Prime Minister of Barbados, which is sourced [1] in that article. Next time, check the article over before you 'automatically revert' me & claim OR. Also, knock-off the stalking. GoodDay (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If you had a source, why did you write in the edit summary "I counted the PMs"? Obviously it was OR, you just looked for a source afterwards. Next time, do so before. Mewulwe (talk) 09:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The source was already there (in the article). GoodDay (talk) 15:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Adel Safar birthdate

Rather than editwarring and undoing without explanation, please go to the talk page and discuss why the birthdate doesn't belong. GB fan (talk) 15:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I explained it the first time by noting it was unsourced. Kintetsu on the other hand reverts without providing a source or another explanation for his action. Mewulwe (talk) 15:14, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I know you left a edit summary one time. Edit summaries are very useful, but since your first removal you haven't used them to explain why you are undoing the edits. Edit summaries are not a substitute for using the talk page for discussing the issue. Can you please leave a message on the talk page explaining why you are removing the birthdate, it would be helpful. p.s. I also left a very similar message for Kintetsubuffalo. GB fan (talk) 15:22, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

There's no point in repetition, and there is nothing more for me to discuss at this point, until anyone makes a case FOR the inclusion of this date. Mewulwe (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Jack William Pithey

Could you please explain this edit? What makes the source that I provided for the year of death "ridiculous" exactly? As I pointed out in my edit summary, the source is an acceptable one to use according the list of resources at WikiProject Unreferenced articles. Even without this, however, your accusation that the site merely copied from Wikipedia is baseless (again). If this site merely copies from Wikipedia, how do you rectify the fact that for Sein Win (Brigadier General), another DOD that you removed as unsourced that was around for much longer than Pithey's, the same site not only lacks the date of death that Wikipedia claimed, but doesn't even have the same year of birth? Canadian Paul 01:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

First, you restored not just the year. Second, if you weren't blindly following what some WikiProject says and had some expertise on the matter, you would see that your source is palpably unprofessional, it being a simple ripoff of rulers.org (which notably doesn't have the death year in question) augmented by all kinds of junk copied without the slightest discernment from Wikipedia or any other random website. An archive.org analysis will show that it added the date AFTER it was included in Wikipedia (it didn't have it as of October 2009, the last archived version; it was added in Wikipedia in July 2009). If you still think it's baseless, I'll take any bet with you that worldstatesmen.org will not be able to provide you with a reliable source for the date. As to Sein Win, nowhere did I say that the site copies everything from Wikipedia; presumably it hasn't searched for that one since with an assumed birth date of 1929, the person seemed likely alive whereas a person born in 1903 should have died by now. Mewulwe (talk) 10:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

No one is "blindly following" anything; it would be wise of you assume good faith before making your commentary. I investigated the source and, wondering about its reliability myself, did a search on Wikipedia to see whether or not it would be acceptable and found consensus that it was usable. If you wish to challenge or redefine a former consensus, then you should do so at the reliable sources noticeboard; the reason that we have consensus as a decision making tool on Wikipedia is to avoid senseless edit warring based on two users' personal opinions. Rather than feed into this, however, I'll let the matter drop for now, as this discussion is little more than academic; I have seen the original source cited and it does confirm the death details that were originally in the article. It is unfortunate that said source was poorly cited, and thus you were correct to remove it, but once I have found the time to go back and access the hard copy source, I will restore the details with a proper citation. Canadian Paul 02:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you wonder about a source's reliability and let the question be settled by a Wikipedia noticeboard instead of your own judgment, that's exactly what I meant with "blindly following." As to the "original source cited," it is just a link to Google Books which doesn't actually produce a result, so I wonder how you found a source there. Mewulwe (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

The link to Google books used to actually point to a book... perhaps it has been removed for copyright reasons... hence it would have been much better had the reference cited the book rather than the book search... but it's just a matter of dredging up my old computer and pulling out the note... Canadian Paul 04:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Pilsen/Plzen/Plzeň in English

Hi Mewulwe, just wondering why you are deleting "also Plzen or Pilsen," from this page? Pilsen and Plzen are both commonly used in the English-language press (Google "Plzen" and site:.guardian.co.uk, for example) and by the City of Pilsen itself (i.e. http://www.pilsen.eu/en/).
The wiki page about Cracow/Krakow/Kraków is worded similarly and recognises the local spelling and alternate English spellings for the city. Why would it be inadmissible to do the same for Pilsen, especially when the other two spellings are so widely used?
Bezzemek (talk) 00:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Plzen is used because some people don't know how to type ň. This goes for any name with a diacritic. Should we therefore include a diacritic-stripped version as an "English name" in every such article? Might as well list any common misspellings if you want to stretch the common-use principle to absurdity. Krakow should be removed just the same. Cracow, however, is a distinct English name, unlike Pilsen, which was simply the German name and was used in English naturally at the time it was an Austrian city and German was the local language, plus for the usual lag time thereafter. If it is sometimes still used in English, it is mistaken or just an attempt to provide a more easily pronouncable version for touristic purposes. That doesn't make it an English name. Mewulwe (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

As to historical references, John Foxe's Book of Martyrs, published well before 1620, references Pilsen, not Plzen. I quite honestly cannot find anything in the English language published before that date that mentions Plzen (with or without haček), can you? Jumping ahead to 2012, Pilsen is used very often in English. The City of Pilsen officially refers to itself in English as the City of Pilsen, not the City of Plzeň. Likewise for the ECOC committee, see http://www.plzen2015.net/?lang=en "A more pronounceable version for touristic purposes" is why we Anglophones never embraced Kyiv, though both spellings for the Ukrainian capital are correct in English. Bezzemek (talk) 18:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Have you checked the original? What's online seem to be only newer edited versions. In any case a single example doesn't prove anything, and there are obviously not enough pre-1620 English books mentioning the city available to determine what was used then. Furthermore, even if German wasn't yet the local language in Bohemia, it was still under Austrian rule (and even before that, part of the "German" Holy Roman Empire), so in that sense the German name qualifies as a local name, meaning that if it was used in English that doesn't make it an English name. Mewulwe (talk) 19:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, for the future, then, when someone reads something in English about "Pilsen", they should absolutely always understand that it solely refers to some little village or neighborhood in the United States. The name "Pilsen" is never, ever, ever used in English, ever; and if it is, it is always wrong as a typographical error would be wrong, and this is the reason why any and all reference to "Pilsen" (e.g. note that it is also referred to as Pilsen) must be completely deleted from the page about Plzeň. Am I summarizing your opinion correctly? Bezzemek (talk) 09:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

No. It may be sometimes used in English, but that doesn't make it an English name. And it should be in the article, described as a German name, not twice as if it's somehow separately a German and English name which are just coincidentally the same. Mewulwe (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad we agree Pilsen is used in English. Feel free to delete the German language reference. Bezzemek (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

But it is German. Why don't you just delete the additional mention? Mewulwe (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)