User talk:喂番茄

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Thanks, and feel free to message me about anything. Rosiestep (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021

Your recent editing history at Ningbo shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Sounder Bruce 02:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:喂番茄 reported by User:SounderBruce (Result: ). Thank you. Sounder Bruce 02:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think the edit warning put by user User:SounderBruce was not well-grounded. The information in the economic and tourism section along with many other sections of "Ningbo" was previously outdated and many data have not been updated since 2013, so I have been trying to update the article with the latest data. Firstly, I have not got the time to update the economic section yet, so as you can see, the data in that section are still for the year 2013. I did update a paragraph on the economic status of Ningbo in the introduction section (beginning section) of the article, not in the economic section, but the data I used are publicly available on the government website, and the citations are all provided. Secondly, I did update the information in the tourism section by giving a short introduction to each tourism attraction and site. What I did was: 1. grouping the previous tourist sites by subdivisions (locations) of the city, 2. linking those keywords with those already existing articles, 3. giving information about when the tourist sites were built, 4. giving information about what the sites are used for historically and currently. Meanwhile, I did not use any overly-promoting language such as "must-go" to encourage people, just some necessary background information since this is an encyclopedia website. The parts I have updated are all factual information that is verifiable through publically available sources, rather than any commentary or personal opinions. Therefore, please RESPECT other's work, even if some users do not like the information. Wiki is a publically available platform for everyone to get verifiable factual information. When someone is not into the information about a particular city, it does not mean other people are not into it. I think it is very reasonable to ask the user User:SounderBruce: Can you please provide several shreds of evidence by directly quoting the sentences in those parts that you regard as "overly promoting" or fake information? If not, I am afraid the edit warning is not well-grounded.--Commented by 喂番茄 (talk)

Edit warring at Ningbo

Hello User:喂番茄. You've been warned for edit warring per a complaint at the edit warring noticeboard. You may be blocked if you revert the article again without getting a prior consensus in favor of your change on the article talk page. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi，EdJohnston, I want to point the comments and advertisement tag put by user User:SounderBruce are totally unreasonable, because he does not give me strong evidence for it. I will address the comments one by one.

Firstly. I will address some comments he gives in the tourism section:

A "cultural relic protection unit” is used to indicate the historical and cultural site that is protected by Chinese government. The user does not even check the hyperlink to the wiki article Tianyi Ge, which clearly state more details about it as an authorized Chinese national heritage protection site.

B “renowned for its long history” is used to describe Tianyi Ge, built in 1561, the oldest existing private library in Asia, which is known almost for every educated Chinese and welcomes over 1 million visitors every year. There is even a building in the forbidden city in Beijing that is built to resemble it. (You can even see the sentence “The existing hall which is patterned on the Tianyi Ge in Ningbo was rebuilt behind the Wenhua Palace, in the reign of the Qianlong Emperor.” In the wiki article of Belvedere of Literary Profundity cited from historical records. I did not see any over-description of by using “renown for its long history “. For example, in the tourism section of article Seattle, terms of “prominent” “significant events” “Seattle has experienced significant growth in the cruise industry” frequently appear.

Secondly, I cannot understand why the user is so sensitive about the economic data of ningbo listed in the introduction section.

A. All the data are cited with sources and published by government annual reports.

B. There are just plain factual information. For example, “In 2020, the GDP of Ningbo is CNY 1240.87 billion”, “it was ranked 12th among 300 cities in China”. It is not the best, not the worst, just plain factual information for readers with no emotion.

C. I have no idea about the contradiction in comments “like a pamphlet hawking the port and various enterprises for the sake of attracting business, rather than listing major industries and hard data”. Isn’t port industry a major industry for Ningbo? Since “The port of Ningbo-Zhoushan has been world's No. 1 busiest port by cargo”. Why that user ignored the hyperlinks and citations that direct him/her to the pages of specific full ranking and statistics? It is not an advertisement. It is plain factual information. Whether the user like it or hate it. It is there! And what about the beginning paragraph in the economic section? “Ningbo is a major exporter of electrical products, textiles, food, and industrial tools. The city's private sector is especially well-developed, contributing 80 percent of total GDP in 2013” cited from government reports Why the user is again ignoring it as well?

D. Let me provide some examples I found in the article of US cities:

The first paragraph of the article Seattle: “The Seattle metropolitan area's population is 3.98 million, making it the 15th-largest in the United States. In 2013-2016, Seattle rated the fastest-growing major city and remained in the top five in May 2015 with an annual growth rate of 2.1%. In July 2016, Seattle ranked as the fastest-growing major U.S. city, with a 3.1% annual growth rate, and continuously among the fastest growing cities in the United States.”

A paragraph in the introduction section of article Pittsburgh: “In 2015, Pittsburgh was listed among the "eleven most livable cities in the world". The Economist's Global Liveability Ranking placed Pittsburgh as the most or second-most livable city in the United States in 2005, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014 and 2018. The region is a hub for Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design and energy extraction.”

In the introduction section of article Chicago “O'Hare International Airport is routinely ranked among the world's top six busiest airports according to tracked data by the Airports Council International. The region also has the largest number of federal highways and is the nation's railroad hub. The Chicago area has one of the highest gross domestic products (GDP) in the world, generating $689 billion in 2018. The economy of Chicago is diverse, with no single industry employing more than 14% of the workforce. It is home to several Fortune 500 companies, including Allstate, Boeing, Caterpillar, Exelon, Kraft Heinz, McDonald's, Mondelez International, Sears, United Airlines Holdings, US Foods, and Walgreens.”

If that user feels comfortable reading previous examples from the articles of US cities, but cannot stand with those factual information listed about a major Chinese city. It will be a very very sad sign and severe potential problem of discrimination and double-standards.

As a non-American, I knew little about those major cities in US when I was young. I even thought “Chicago is a country”and “NYC is the capital of US”. However, I was glad to learn more about them from Wikipedia as I grew older, even long before I really visited those places. And from those wikiarticles, I knew that thy are very nice and great cities.

I agree that the article of Ningbo is not perfect currently, and many details need to be further added. For example, if you check the economic section of the article, the data have not been updated since 2013, when the GDP of Ningbo city was CNY 712.8 billion at that time. However, last year 2020, the GDP of Ningbo was CNY 1240 billion. A 74% increase in the economy scale in the last 7 years! Accordingly, many of the data and some of its major industries have changed and need to be updated in the article. Moreover, more details can be added for the performance of different industries in Ningbo. Therefore, I am gradually updating those information recently step by step when I have some leisure time. But every time I update a new economic data, I tried my best to ensure that data comes from public ally checkable sources such as government annual reports or major media reports.

I am very glad if someone could help me with this work, especially since English is not my native language. No matter it is by directly joining me as an editor to update information, or by indirectly helping me such as giving useful suggestions. It is even ok if the suggestions come from those users who have no previous knowledge about the city. But, the suggestions should be at least fair, rather than biased or double-standarded. At least, someone who respects other’s culture and background. Someone is not affected by and stuck with stereotypes. And someone who can treat the factual information fairly, even if he/she does not like them. This is because wiki is a platform for everyone to get useful information, not designed fit the stereotype of a subset of users.

It is very fair if anyone find the factual information listed in some sections need more citations and put a tag such as “needs more citations” tag in front of the sections to encourage improvements. However, it is not reasonable to downplay other’s voluntary work by leaving an “advertisement“ tag without providing strong evidence.

The comments of the user are in general very arrogant and ignorant to the city Ningbo and to its relevant topics. It shows that he/she may not even carefully read the article. Considering the current situation, I am afraid he/she cannot be the one that gives fair suggestions. Therefore, it does not make sense to get that user’s consensus in order to remove that unfair advisement tag. It will be very unfair for people like me who are updating the situations of major cities in China so that every can get newest information. It will be very dangerous for a neutral platform like wiki. --Commented by 喂番茄 (talk)