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AfC notification: Draft:Timo Koivurova has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Timo Koivurova. Thanks! Caorongjin (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, this clarified what is the problem.

Best regards,

Arto

Avitikka (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and thanks for the message.

Since we are for the first time creating an article into Wikipedia, the concept how it’s reviewed was new to us and I have to admit that I did not read the guidelines as I should have done before starting to create the page.

According to information from your messages we have edited a new considerable shorter version with new the secondary sources. There are no festschrifts on Koivurova, but these international memberships, duties and award. Will these fulfill the requirements for valid secondary sources on notability? I have not updated the draft page with the shorter version, I’ll wait first for your comment on these secondary sources.

An honorary mention by the Oxford University Press for an article: https://academic.oup.com/jel/pages/richard_macrory_prize

Editor-in-Chief in the Oxford University Press, Yearbook of International Environmental Law: https://academic.oup.com/yielaw and in the Brill’s the Yearbook of Polar Law: http://www.brill.com/publications/yearbook-polar-law

A member of the Board of Directors of the Arctic Research Consortium of the United States: https://www.arcus.org/arcus/board-of-directors

Executive committee member of the European Polar Board: http://www.europeanpolarboard.org/organisation/chair-executive-committee/

Member of the Advisory Board of the Arctic Circle Conference: http://www.arcticcircle.org/about/board/

Best regards,

Arto Avitikka (talk) 08:14, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Timo_Koivurova

Dear Caorongjin,

I read your comment on the page that I am creating on the request of Professor Timo Koivurova, Arctic Centre, University of Lapland.

I am very new on creating pages in Wikipedia, so sorry that I don't quite understand what I should, or could, do considering your comment: "Comment: Although the subject appears to be a notable academic, biographies of living people should be based largely on reliable secondary sources. Caorongjin (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)"

Timo Koivurova has produced the text about himself and I am merely trying to create the page on his behalf. Does your comment mean, that since Timo has written the text about himself, it's from a primary source, and hence in order to have the page published, another reliable person should write the text so that it would be from a secondary source? If so, then how do we know who would be a reliable person to write the contents, do we need to have a confirmation, for example from a person that is already existing in the Wikipedia?

Sorry if I am asking stupid questions.

Best regards,

Arto Vitikka System Analyst Arctic Centre University of Lapland

Avitikka (talk) 07:52, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Avitikka: The basic idea is that if a person is notable, someone else should be saying that not the subject themself (and not simply asserted in the Wikipedia article). This is outlined in the Wikipedia guidance on the notability of academics. For academics, I often will base things on a festschrift or on commentary from other academics writing about a topic which speak of the main subject. In the case of this subject, the section on Career and impact is perhaps the most important to highlight his notability, but also therefore the most questionable since all sources are authored by the subject. Other sections, such as Early life and education are less contestable (though currently largely unsourced), and so can generally be citing the subject's own writing (or his staff page). --Caorongjin (talk) 09:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Timo Koivurova (January 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SshibumXZ was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 15:26, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 15:26, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Timo Koivurova has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Timo Koivurova. Thanks!
Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 15:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thsmi002 (talk) 14:40, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]