User talk:Benson tan at work
Why I cannot ask the person's contact info for me pass to my lawyer for the copyright issue? Please explain then. Thanks.
January 2018
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Your recent edits to Wikipedia:Help desk could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
At 2018/01/06 09:00am (Taipei Time), so far, only info-en-c@wikimedia.org replied as they cannot provide legal advice and close my case.
For dispute link, it does not allow me to post message, and also all other places in Wikipedia as well.
For Legal@wikimedia.org, no answer.
Copyright claims
[edit]See Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Information for copyright owners for details on how to make official notifications about copyright claims to Wikipedia. Rmhermen (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
ANI notice
[edit] There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Blocked indefinitely
[edit]Your account has been blocked indefinitely for making legal threats, as you did in Special:Diff/818648927. To appeal this block, please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. Thank you. Alex Shih (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Answer to your question
[edit]Hello Benson tan at work, The answer to your question (which apparently caused your block) is shown here: Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Information for copyright owners. It gives contact info for informal and formal requests. While I'm not personally convinced you'll succeed in this request, this gives you the best chance of talking to people who are experienced in handling this kind of issue. If you'd like to be unblocked from editing, I can guide you thru the process (it boils down to agreeing not to mention legal remedies on Wikipedia itself). Just note here on this page you'd like an unblock. If you just created the account because of this issue, you probably won't care about an unblock. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the comment. I will see if able to find correct process for copyright violation, not inside the Wikipedia as it looks like get judged by some Wikipedia senior users. The only contact info is the person who I thought violate my copyright, and then I can pass that info to my lawyer to seek the solution. I am apologized to lead to ask this info as it was a 10 years effort from me. Wikipedia may have its own rule, but it should still fit into US law as I know. Thanks a lot.
If I cannot get a fair treatment, I will not use Wikipedia in my life. It is my account. I've participated Internet Explorer 5, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Microsoft Companywide Symbols server (https://msdl.microsoft.com/downloads/symbols), or splunk for VMware apps. I've spent more than 2 decades on software industry and try my best to provide benefits to others. But, it is basic respect as no copy for my work. Thanks.
- Well there's a couple of problems here. First, editors aren't really in a position to judge the validity of a copyright claim like this; my gut tells me your copyright has not been violated, but I don't have the experience to know whether that is true or not. Second, while I think it was foolish to block you for asking where your lawyer could contact Wikipedia, it's more concerning when you talk about trying to get contact information for the person you think violated your copyright. That goes against our policy on legal threats. Basically, you can certainly choose to pursue a legal claim, but then you can't also try to edit Wikipedia while you're doing so (or threatening to do so). If you weren't already blocked, that comment would probably have gotten you blocked. It was also fairly counterproductive... --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, what Floquenbeam said. There is no excuse for you to threaten our editors. These volunteers have taken their valuable time to do their research to address your concerns. After this response by one of the volunteers, you responded with this edit,
implying that you are making the claims for purely monetary gains. Wikipedia is run by volunteers, and it brings back to the first point, which is there is no excuse for you to legally threaten or imply legal action to another editor. If you are willing to edit productively, myself along with many members of the community are always here to help. But if you are not using Wikipedia for the right purposes, you may want to consider alternative outlets. Thanks. Alex Shih (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)- Just to clarify this comment, it is perfectly legitimate to "use Wikipedia for the right purpose" to try to protect your copyright. It would be best to ignore the comment "implying that you are making the claims for purely monetary gains", as I think Alex is sleepy; he obviously understands people do have a right to make money on their own copyrighted material if that is what this is. What you can't do is threaten another editor with legal action and still edit here; you kind of have to choose where you're going to try to resolve things. Anyway, I think your best bet from a practical point of view is to contact WP at the addresses provided, and not pursue this on Wikipedia itself anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- It's 6:54 AM. I apologize and will retract that comment. Alex Shih (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Just to clarify this comment, it is perfectly legitimate to "use Wikipedia for the right purpose" to try to protect your copyright. It would be best to ignore the comment "implying that you are making the claims for purely monetary gains", as I think Alex is sleepy; he obviously understands people do have a right to make money on their own copyrighted material if that is what this is. What you can't do is threaten another editor with legal action and still edit here; you kind of have to choose where you're going to try to resolve things. Anyway, I think your best bet from a practical point of view is to contact WP at the addresses provided, and not pursue this on Wikipedia itself anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, what Floquenbeam said. There is no excuse for you to threaten our editors. These volunteers have taken their valuable time to do their research to address your concerns. After this response by one of the volunteers, you responded with this edit,
Why I cannot ask the person's contact info for me pass to my lawyer for the copyright issue? Please explain then. Thanks.
First of all, honestly, I doubt to get a fair treatment from both of you. I've found Davey2010 is a senior user in Wikipedia and you guys reply just looks stand on that ends before we discuss.
Second, I am not coming to publish my patent. It is just because got message from friend about multiplication table and found the picture is so similar as my education tool kit.
Third, patent is expired but my copyright still remains. As fair procedure, the content should be removed first while people have argus.
Forth, so far, I don't see Dave2010 or others provide me a "LEGAL DOCUMENT" as he/she have the copyright before me, and threat me that I cannot remove the content by myself. That is why I have to ask for solving it thru legal path. At least, I have to provide this info to my lawyer to investigate further.
Fifth, no matter what Wikipedia's rule is, it should follow the US law. I understand people do not like another person say "I will ask my lawyer to contact you", but why block me if you think yourself is right?
Sixth, I've provided my content of the patent since beginning. If people do not provide legal document to proof he/she has rights prior me, please tell me what I should do (not under Wikipedia rule, but US law).
Best regards, Benson Tan
- I do want to clear up an apparent misunderstanding. You cannot copyright numbers in circles. That does not pass the threshold of originality. If it did, your diagram would itself violate the copyright of whoever came up with the traditional keypad on a telephone. There is no copyright at issue here. ~ Rob13Talk 21:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am a senior editor but that doesn't mean I'm correct with everything or know everything because I don't, For instance I have absolutely no knowledge (or even understanding) with this "patent" stuff which is why I've pretty much stayed silent all day. –Davey2010Talk 22:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Who is misunderstanding or who is try to mislead? Are you a copyright lawyer? Did I just copyright numbers in circles? What leads you to such conclusion? Why you jump in here and say things unrelated with you with conclusion? It is all included circles, numbers, lines, curves. You can run a tool to check how similar as that SVG and Fig 6. Or, I can post my tool kit's picture. It is even similar than what in PDF.
- Benson tan, I'm starting to feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over. Perhaps part of the problem is other people telling you incorrect things, or blocking you before you actually made an actual legal threat. But this is it in a nutshell: In order to protect your copyright under US law, you need to contact Wikipedia at the contact addresses I gave you previously. (And which I see Rmherman already gave you on this talk page a while ago). Wikipedia is not trying to take away your rights under US law, but is saying that if you pursue your rights under the law, you can't also edit Wikipedia telling people you're going to do it. You do not have a legal right to edit Wikipedia, so this rule does not violate your rights under US law in any way. We have reasons for this rule (please actually read WP:NLT if you haven't already), but it is not preventing you from contacting Wikipedia. No editor here is under any obligation to provide you with any legal documentation whatsoever. Wikipedia is (I think, I'm just guessing) obligated to respond to you in some way if you contact them, but you don't seem to have done that yet. Any arguing you do here will not do you any good, and will not protect your legal rights. I suspect they are going to tell you what BU Rob13 just told you above, but I don't know. But there's no benefit to arguing with BU Rob13 or me about it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Floquenbeam for clarify the situation and fair enough feedback. I had sent email to the legal@wikimedia.org <legal@wikimedia.org> since your 1st message and requested the contact info so that I can communicate with my lawyer, but no reply so far. It is new to me and 6:48am in Taiwan. Trust me, no one who worked about 12 hr a day, want to proceed that path.
Only thing I am asking to remove is that SVG which is too similar as Fig 6 (or my toolkit) in my patent document. You guys do not know how much effort we did into this, for example, how to protect this content while me not a teacher and had to adjust the toolkit. After 8 years efforts, finally I can ensure that kids could learn it in 30 minutes and decide to start issue patent. Then, spend twice of my salary to issue a patent and have to pay mortgage and school fees for my kid. I had even lost my job while developing this. Sorry, that's why I cannot calm down when see someone expose my patent as such. Thank for understanding.
I still do not see any action for the 3rd point I mentioned above.
- (Non-admin/lawyer/WikiPedia representative comment) Contact info for DMCA Takedowns can be found here. Asking them for contact info is not a valid DMCA request. Informal requests (such as yours) should be sent to info-en-c@wikimedia.org address, while your lawyer could contact the legal@wikimedia.org if they find a need for that. This is all written in the article that has been linked to you, I just simplified it, so you get the main points. Also, if you are registered and editing only to remove your claimed IP, then you are not here to contribute to an encyclopedia. I think we helped you the best we can, you will have to take the legal issues elsewhere (that is - the email addresses that have been given to you). BytEfLUSh Talk 23:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also, when contacting info-en-c@wikimedia.org
please cite the exact URL (the "address" or "location" of the page as shown by your web browser, beginning with https://en.wikipedia.org/...), and provide enough information to substantiate your claim of copyright ownership. Be aware that correspondence is answered by a small number of volunteers, and an immediate reply may not be possible.
BytEfLUSh Talk 23:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
I've read the article from the admin page.
First, clarify this: The abandon part is what was happened during the issue process, and the patent has modified few contents to get pass through. Because we did not pay fees to extend the patent, it expired and became free. It is NOT the patent is invalid for issue. It had issued & Approved by US government. The comment about abandon comment is a little misleading. Issue failed vs. expired are different thing.
Second, I have to use "We" because the patent & copyright is owned by my daughter and me which does not mean we have an institute to stand on us to fight against you guys. However, we do sell our small education tool kit to others as $10 each. So, I have to protect our right if people publish without our authorization. People out there have intention to mislead "we" to get a way to feel they are right because we ask such money for each expose.
Third, whatever saying 20 years you saw or whatever, is not "legal document" to get you an authorization to expose the patent we issued. The latest approved is from China in 2016; where many Chinese said their ancient invented original times table (as 8x9 table has special rhythm when say the statements in order). Again, like mentioned previously, we resolve all puzzle (including the tens) not only the digit < 10. People can draw a picture to describe the relation for the digit < 10 (such as, what previous page prior 2015), but grouping/differentiating the tens digit is the value of our patent and why we can get approved (eg. the content of my patent issued in China).
Forth, since the patent fee is kind of expensive for me (My daughter is just 14). We cannot afford to pay those money every year. After discussed with patent lawyer, as our patent has those special diagrams, we issued copyright to protect our rights. It just like that you cannot publish a Mickey mouse or related product without Disney's approval.
Fifth, from the admin page they discussed, it seems like me can/will not get a fair treatment at all. It's very sad. I knew it is a big effort to make the world better when I found the first outcome in 2007. I spent first 5 years to adjust my method with more than 100 children. I had to avoid expose the content of this patent-candidate, but also ensure it can be learnt as quick as possible. With this faith "if we can save 1 year of child's learning time, that we save more than 1.5M people every year". Finally, the result is optimized to all I can, I've been though those patent fighting against those governments with lots of money paid to my lawyer to adjust the content to get approved. Yes, some people think they see this before (because digits < 10 is well known). After they know further, politicians involved to protect country's benefits and say "oh, you cannot file a math theory". US government even want to change the law (there's an article about this as well which related with my case). So, my patent has to bind with "computer" to limit its usage (only in US patent). With this sad result, I already stop some of my research, such as, how to make human able to study parallel. I am not a teacher or a researcher paid by government. All those research I did on my spare time, is for benefit people. Yes, I want to get richer to get better life for rest of my life and also help me do more research, or others. But, I don't like those governments, just like I don't like the patent system. Back to the multiplication table, it is our patent and copyright. It's fair to ask my lost simply we are the patent & copyright owner and deserve that with the effort. Yes, I can understand it is a bad feeling for the person expose, or Wikipedia as media to publish through, but it is also bad feeling to my daughter and me as well. See, even while we have this argu, the content is still exposing there and Wikipedia says "oh, its our rule". After I posted "legal document" (patent approved by US government), don't you feel it is rude to us to still see it expose today? It's not fair at all to hit a person and say that person saying "i have to fight back" is a threaten. I just got an account investigation as well. Oh, probably it is not a threat in your "GOD" thinking. Thanks.
Sixth, I have more than 2000 friends in my Facebook. Yes, my English is not so good, so maybe no many friend here. (Alex Lin (fixed) is in my Facebook, but I never see him before, Alex Shih even not in Taiwan and he is the person block my account). I had participate Internet Explorer 5, Windows XP, Windows 2000. Also, single-handily to create Microsoft's symbols server from scratch (which helps solve BSOD and is serving till today. Last few years, I had spent my spare time to help many startups in Taiwan as volunteer. So, there's no reason as people have no friend here so that get different treatment, and it is not you do volunteer on writing wiki pages so you can block my account said "it is legal threat". It's not because me, but I hope me could be an example, people are stand equally in front of a media. That helps human civilization better!
PS: 1. I've not get any reply from patent firm which my classmate's husband opened. So, I maybe need to find a lawyer in US while I am in Taiwan. Anyone know how to do so? Thanks. 2. I am getting old and spent more than > 12 hours in front a computer everyday. So, my eyes have big pressure to watch / read things. Therefore, I may not follow the thread very often. I still wish to get a fair treatment and wiki site not expose my copyright. Thanks for reading. I cannot sleep for 2 days already. It's a nightmare to me.
- Please re-read what I (and others) posted above. Answer briefly: Are you here to contribute to Wikipedia or are you here only to remove sections of the Multiplication table article? Also, don't write any more about your legal claims and patents and copyright and whatnot. That's not what User talk pages are for. BytEfLUSh Talk 18:13, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
info-en-c@wikimedia.org had just said they will not help as because I say will go look for lawyer stand for my case. Then, the DMCA does not reply my mail. If that is useful for, why I use my red eyes to type. I am here to protect my copyright of the Fig 6 picture in my patent, and will stop till your site take it down. Thanks.
Patent ID: 14/016138 is abandoned, but 15/067167 is approved (which originally applied from 14/016138). That is why you guys just got misled maybe intentionally and say we don't have the right.
Tell a small story here: I got denied to answer questions because me changed department in 1988. So, I started to give free technical lecture in 1989 and helped all departments' students for their computer related problems in NTCB in 1989. Later on, I developed the 1st animation tool for teaching students to key-in Chinese character through ChangJei; which method later applied in all teaching key-in books for various methods. My case study in 1992, I granted to share my project's source code for school mates study as totally free through my teacher. The case study itself shows the machine can "learn" by adjust the factor of the model in statistic which prior to any paper that time in the world. In 2007, I've did as volunteer and led students to develop the search code by code's animation. Recently years, I can teach a young engineer a new computer language in 2 hours. That's few pieces of my past efforts. All of those, it's not just totally free, but even keep as anonymous.
Do you know this world is funny? Some countries/companies/people have "bighead" problem, and think they invented everything and put their name everywhere, and at the same time, downgrade others' effort (even others already filed the patent). They just acted as animal with suits outside. XD
For me, keep it simple, I just had this 1 IP and sorry you hit my bottom line.
PS: Multiplication table (esp. the method to memorize it) definitely is not invented by US. For China, they had provided few history material as evidence that they created this content. It has certain rhythm if pronouns times table quick via Chinese. That is why I could remember it when I was 6 year old. However, those were memorized with sound rather than pictures. Therefore, you may understand how difficult to also get approved by China government for our patent.
2018/01/07
[edit]The article this site (Wikipedia: Multiplication Table) described about some pattern in the non-teen digits is well known; which is okay. The picture added in 2017 as for memorized; which is not okay. The way to give special distinguish in between switch rows, in the rows and/or for the line to zero looks nature, but it is not. I called it as "artificial phenomena". The way I intent to do so, is to help children feel they create it by their own after they observe from first 2's or 4's pictures when they apply on 6, 8, and 1,3,5,7,9. I even ask they to associate the picture as duck, snake, flower, or whatever to inspire they thoughts. This helps children to have fun and develop their mindset when they need to remember times table. In few of prior of my research, I notice many children started to dislike math because school tests the accuracy for times table. The method helps people curious about how it can be like so simple and that can increase their interest on mathematic, too.
In Wikipedia, most articles is just described "what is" and make reader to understand; which shouldn't impact my patent. However, the picture added in 2017, is to show how to memorize it and that is my patent does and where conflict of interest happens. It is not me as first introduce the problem. It is very costly to me (not only resource, but also time) to fight for my right especially I am in overseas. Those senior writers work together to pre-judge my argument, and it is a bullying to me.
I am new to Wikipedia. In past, I just browsed it for getting some info from it. As my English is not good, I definitely did not post any message here. I also spent about more than 12 hours in working for living every day, so this whole things is very troublesome to me. But, I have to do as Romans do to fight for my rights even it is so conflict to my personality. It is rude to me as the content still show till today. Also, the resource you guys guided is not useful (one has no answer, another refuse to help). I just sent another email to request remove that picture and cross finger for the outcome.
Like mentioned previously. I did share many of my thought, outcomes, gave speech to young generation, donate money/time to schools. Such as, I just donated US$300 to the school I graduated when pass by (in another city) 2 months ago. Issuing an IP is so expensive for people like me. And, this is the only patent I have. Although I don't rely on it for living, I don't plan to provide this content as free. Thanks. Benson tan at work (talk)
People have special authorization (such as admin) should think about responsibility rather power. You guys do not feel how/what as a new user here suffered. For example, till today, I still do not know what WP stands for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benson tan at work (talk • contribs) 05:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC) Benson tan at work (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- I am not a Wikipedia (WP) administrator, but it doesn't matter - even administrators are not able (or expected) to answer your kind of legal questions/concerns. From my point of view, they have been too lenient on you, since this kind of behavior is not allowed (to say the least). I can't speak on their behalf, but it's probably because the community still believes that you can realize what you're doing wrong. Or perhaps nobody notified them that you should get your Talk Page Access (TPA) revoked; though - I doubt that. You already noticed that you aren't able to edit the rest of WP - that is because you are blocked. Getting your TPA revoked means that you will lose the ability to edit this page, too. Now, I will try to write a quick reply, but first of all, a few points I'd like to make:
- Always sign your posts with ~~~~ at the end.
- Do not edit your previous posts after an certain amount of time (let's say, 5 minutes after you post it). Wait for reply, and then make a new post.
- Longer reply incoming. BytEfLUSh Talk 05:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. Just modified to sign my name as you guys rule. Benson tan at work (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is not an update, Wikipedia works as a community; this is just one editor's opinion. It's not official in any way. Sorry for the misunderstanding. BytEfLUSh Talk 05:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Let me explain
[edit]Whether or not you own the Intellectual Property of the section is irrelevant. Let me make that clear: do not try to convince us that you are right, and that we should remove the content. It won't happen under these circumstances. You will only get your editing privileges fully revoked that way, and I'm sure that you don't want that. The community has been more than generous in explaining the process to you, but let me try again. I'll link the relevant policies and briefly explain how they matter in your case.
- WP:NLT - You were blocked from editing the English Wikipedia because you posted a message that could be interpreted as hiring your lawyer and hunting down those who you claim infringe on your patent/IP.
Rather than posting a legal threat, you should try to resolve disputes using Wikipedia's dispute-resolution procedures. If your issue involves Wikipedia itself, you should contact the Wikimedia Foundation.
- WP:NOTHERE - If you want to get unblocked and not have your TPA revoked, you will have to prove to the community that you are here to build an encyclopedia.
I am here to protect my copyright of the Fig 6 picture in my patent
-- that's a wrong answer. If you stand by that one, there's nothing more that can be done here. - WP:GAB - You talk page should be used only if you want to appeal a block. However, I can't tell you what to write in your appeal. Read that page if you want to contribute to WP in the future.
- If you threatened info-en-c@wikimedia.org with legal action, no wonder they closed your case. Send them a link to the page in question, your rationale, your patents, and don't mention legal action. They are a volunteer team that can help you, but not if you use threatening language.
- If you really don't know what to do, ask your legal representative. They'll surely know a lot more about the process than you.
I probably stressed this enough, though in this case, it's never enough: DO NOT POST ABOUT LEGAL ACTIONS OR YOUR PATENTS ON THIS PAGE. You already mentioned that you are wasting your time and sleep here. Well, you really are wasting it - it won't help, use the methods above and you may have some success. That reminds me:
- Do not post how nobody replies to your emails. It's between you and them, there's nothing we can do around here.
Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm only trying to help you get around the issues you have with WP, and to convert you to a good contributor. We're just trying to explain to you how things go, and what you should, and what you shouldn't do. BytEfLUSh Talk 05:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Feedback for the explain
[edit]- First of all, thank you very much for the explain. It's much clear to me for a newbie like me.
- WP:NLT How do I contact Wikipedia? From the admin page previous I read, it seems to my you guys knowing each other. So, it led me think you guys are teamed up to fight against me. The first threaten I got is saying if I continuous introduce the edit dispute and will close my account. Latest threaten is open a case to study whether if I have multiple account access to the system or not. Then, first reference I got is to donate my content to Wikipedia. Basically, I don't know how to determine who is Wikipedia, Wikipedia Fundation, or simple other contributor. Can you please tell me whom is a newbie to use Wikipedia and English is not my native language how to get help for this? Should I knee down to beg for a fair judgement for this?
- Wikipedia:Dispute resolution-dispute-resolution procedures I know this after my account got blocked. So, I don't have way to issue this anymore.
- WP:NOTHERE As my poor English as me, I doubt can contribute many like others. I've been closed to death more than 10 times in my life. Alive probably has different meaning than others, that is why i've contiously contribute to the world as much as I could. It is much worth to me by sit down on writing software rather than spend time on this at all. The patent is filed and approved. Life should move on and human civilization can move further. Like I mentioned, this IP is my bottom line. So, please allow me try to protect it.
- WP:GAB I've sent email again to info-en-c@wikimedia.org last night already without mention legal action. But, thank for this instuction.
- Legal representative? I don't have one. Probably need to look for one if this still expose like that. Any advice how to find legal representative from abroad?
Thanks again for the kindness. Benson tan at work (talk)
- Thank you for addressing the problems that you are now aware of. If you have any questions, or if anything is unclear to you, feel free to ask. However, as I said, I'm an editor without special powers on WP. This is a global effort in collaboration - we are all generally equal, but some authority must exist to keep the order. What I'm relating to you are only my own impressions, and by no means are they the community decisions or official.
- Wikipedia is a member of the Wikimedia foundation. You can contact them here (click for more info).
- We do not know each other. At least, I do not know any other wikipedia editor personally, but the policies are usually well known to experienced editors, and that's why it seems to someone from the outside that we have a hive-like mind. :) Policies are complicated, but once you get a hang of them, they are clear - and usually come back to one thing - we are here to build an encyclopedia for all the humankind.
- Dispute resolution noticeboard would probably not help in this case, anyway. You're claiming you have an IP on the content and threatening legal action; that's not what DRN is for, and it would result in the same action if you mentioned it there.
- I'm sorry you feel that way. You might still help on Talk pages of fields that are your specialty, let other editors do the grammar/spelling stuff, and don't forget to support each claim with a Reliable source. That is, once you get unblocked, of course. If you want to.
- Right now, my truly honest suggestion is to drop this. You are wasting your time, you are wasting your health, and even if you could convince me or a few other people to remove your claimed IP, there's still thousands of more, all equal, to convince. Your best bet is to take the claim to the Wikimedia Foundation. However, neither I, nor the admins here, can help you with that. BytEfLUSh Talk 07:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for answer me such late in US. May I double confirm about Wikimedia Foundation you mentioned? As the page said, it points me to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/DMCA_takedowns which I already sent without any answer so far. From the page itself, it seems like there's a long waiting line there and as person like me has to wait till their answer and expose that content till they process. Is this the only way or is there other approach? In Taiwan's rule, normally this kind dispute content will be taken down first and revert back if need. Thanks again for reading and replying.
PS: In Taiwan, i have to not only pay lawyer with the time he/she serve my case, but also take a day off which impacts my salary. That was the reason why I'd like to ask their contact info so that could save my time with minimum impact for my work and salary. This maybe not the same case for others or people live in other countries. There's a misunderstanding there, and the react is very strict and direct where I can understand your explain and people's judgment where it is me suffer the treatment. Thanks agin for your help. Benson tan at work (talk) 08:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Talkpage
[edit]Stop using your talkpage to write about yourself - Your talkpage is for discussions only, If you keep adding it your talkpage access will be revoked, Thank you. –Davey2010Talk 20:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Talk page access revoked
[edit]Please read Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog,_Web_hosting_service,_social_networking_service,_or_memorial_site. There's absolutely no reason for these inappropriate edits on your talk page, even if you were not already blocked. If you plan to submit a proper unblock request, you would have to use Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System from now on. Alex Shih (talk) 20:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)