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Edits on Mercurio Bua

Greetings,

I`ve noticed that you reverted the added I made some days ago, with the excuse that his name was sometimes written in the greek form and also that he lived in greece.

Many people have been named in literature with other languages. For the balkans, greek was in common use for this practice. Tho it is not a reason to add the greek version for it on his wikipedia page since many had the same "story", with their names being mentioned in another language and still their wikipedia page does not represent that name in the foreign language.

You other reason, "he live in a predominatly greek speaking area". No good reason either. So if a for example, turkish migrant to germany, makes career in germany and receives a wikipedia page by that, should his name be shown in a german way? No. Of course not. The turkish migrant woudnt be in favor of it either.

Either way, many people have lived for a long time in another country and dont get a foreign name represented on their wikipedia page.

(Morea was predominatly greek inhabited, tho it also had a significant Albanian population after years of immigration.)

It also should be mentioned that for example, many Albanians, that had a great role in greece, and received a wikipedia page for it, dont get shown their Albanian name on wikipedia. Which of course is a shame and kind of in some way a disgrace towards them.

Requesting the allowance for removing the not needed "greek" version of his name, again.

If not answered inside 24 hours, the edit will be done.

Best regards, InNeed95 (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually there is a reason to include it per MOS:ALTNAME. It's not only that a number of sources (primary and secondary) mention his Greek name, with some of them even being cited in the article; it's also that some scholars consider that the close environment of Mercurio Bua spoke primarily Greek, maybe himself as well. Read what this section says. By the way, i don't know why you mention the Albanian community of the Peloponnese, when the respective Albanian version of the name is included in the lede as well. Furthermore, regarding naming conventions, let's both assume for the sake of an example that he spoke an Albanian dialect as his mother tongue; why do you think the Latin version of his name was picked as the title of his article instead of the Albanian? Namely not even as an alternative name in the first sentence, but as the actual title. It's because per WP:COMMONNAME, titles are determined by the prevalence of a certain name in a significant majority of reliable English-language sources. It doesn't have something to do with how his name was in his mother tongue. Anyway, if you want to make such a contested removal, please try and find consensus in the talk page of the respective article; though to be honest i can tell you from now that most likely you won't find such consensus. Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

MOS:LEADLANG

Re this undo edit summary: MOS:LEADLANG states, "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses" (my emphasis). Olympia Dukakis was born, raised, lived and died and was notable for activities solely in one country, the U.S., and therefore, an unsourced foreign-language name doesn't belong in the lead, where there is zero context for its inclusion given, but instead in the early life section, where her Greek ancestry is noted. —  AjaxSmack  07:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@AjaxSmack: Fair enough. Demetrios1993 (talk) 07:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration. —  AjaxSmack  07:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Maps on Albanian infoboxes

Dude, stop using those maps on articles. Those are not meant to be used on infobox but rather on bottom templates. Bes-ARTTalk 15:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bes-ART: I haven't added any for two days now, and honestly i thought this was an improvement and consistent with what the Municipalities of Albania shows. I am not aware of any guideline that says we cannot use them in the infobox as well. Anyway, i added the respective municipality maps in the first 21 articles of the aforementioned list (feel free to remove them); not planning to do the rest if there is an objection. I was only looking to contribute to the respective articles. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Stop deleting valid content

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Gedik Ahmed Pasha, you may be blocked from editing. After I first warned you that I would report you, you posted this on my talk page. Smart. But what you have to understand is that you cannot put fake claims in Wikipedia or delete sourced content just because you don't like it. Thank you. Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

I am not the one who is trying to force a certain version. I have told you to engage in the talk page, yet you went straight-ahead to reinstate your problematic version, thinking that this would somehow stay as it is? Again, try and find consensus in the respective talk page. If you continue, the article will most likely be protected from further disruption. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

What does it mean "trying to force a certain version"? Maybe it's you who see things differently. Here I am only reporting what the sources say (with quotes), while you want to delete what the sources and the quotes say. My version is not problematic. It had a few repetitions which I removed. All the rest is supported by sources. Period. Deal with it. What is problematic is that you made claims of "Serb ethnicity" for this individual, and now you are constantly reverting any changes that disrupt the way you (not scholars) see things.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

You have been reported for failing to engage in the talk page. Demetrios1993 (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring at Gedik Ahmed Pasha

Hello Demetrios1993. You've been warned for edit warring on this article per a complaint at the noticeboard. You are risking a block if you change the article again without getting a prior consensus for your change on the article talk page. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Gedik Ahmed Pasha falls under discretionary sanctions

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You have shown interest in the Balkans or Eastern Europe. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Libohova

Rrapi I Libohovës is the name of the area in the photo at the wiki page of Libohovë , I really could care less if it wasn't there I'm just letting you know. Zemertrimi (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Zemertrimi: I understood that, and even saw the respective Albanian article (Rrapi i Libohovës), but regardless, the main issue was that you used a foreign language for a caption that appears in an English article. I chose to use the original English description as it appears in the respective Wikimedia Commons webpage (File:Libohova.jpg), but if you want you can also add a small note about the tree, in English. Demetrios1993 (talk) 21:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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Vallahades, Patriyotlar

If the Vallahades are not Patriyotlar as you said, why then the same people give in reportage this statemant?

here with english subtitle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IitfYvD9Qw0

--Nalanidil (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: I never wrote that "Patriyotlar" are not "Vallahades"; i wrote that "Patriyotlar" is the Turkish name for "Vallahades". Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before you edit any more articles. Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, but the word vallahhades was the old name that the greeks once gave them, during the ottoman era. They called themselves Foutsides (Φούτσηδες). This is not mentioned in the article. Nalanidil (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC

Congratulations, the page was deleted at my request, so that this senseless discussion can come to an end.

Hope you are satisfied now. Nalanidil (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: I am not aware of any source that says that the name "Vallahades" was originally a Greek exonym for the population, nor did you provide any reliable source to support this statement; it falls under WP:OR. Furthermore, Φούτσηδες, Foútsides is just another name they were known by in Greek; it will be included in the article now that you brought it up. It comes from φούτσι μ', foútsi m, which is a corruption of the Greek αδελφούτσι μου, adelfoútsi mou 'my brother'.

I am not exactly sure to which deleted page you refer to. I assume you mean the unintentional content fork you created, which was then moved from the mainspace to the draftspace by another editor; Draft:Patriyotlar. Demetrios1993 (talk) 19:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

EastThrace

@Demetrios1993, Again, you don't accepted Turkish sources, actually I'm not surprised. The article about EastThrace, (european part of Turkey), lacks essentials, nothing is written about today's population, nothing about sights, museums, buildings, absolutely nothing. There is no mention of the Thracian Turks who have lived there since the Ottoman period, as well as Turks from Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Macedonia, and Pomaks, Patriyotlar, Muslim Roma, Crimean Tatars, who make up the majority population today. Between the first and second Balkan Wars of 1912-13 and Population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923, also in later years, Turks, Pomaks and other Non-Turkish Muslims came to Eastern Thrace from the Balkans as Muhajir. Why is that not mentioned? Unfortunately, This article is one-sided, only from the Greek point of view and their lobby. I always thought articles had to be neutral...

Is that supposed to be a good article? --Nalanidil (talk) 23:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: I have no problem with any sources, but they have to be reliable. In the article East Thrace, you disregarded everything that was written to you regarding Vallahades, removed the Template:Reflist, and had created a "Culture" section that didn't have a single source for verifiability. Last, the History section already touches upon the historical demographics of the region, but again, if you want to provide additional details, they have to be backed with reliable sources. Demetrios1993 (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@Demetrios, you have big problems...I see, you changend all...you changend the word several Balkan Muslim, in only to Muhajir, but orthodox word you didnt changend. There was several different Muslims groups from the balkan, you know that very well, not all of them was ethinc turks, they was pomaks, muslim roma, vallahades, torbesh, albanians etc.

Yet i see, who you are...

it is always the same when it comes to the topic East Thrace.

the lobby of the opponents changes everything.

and that is normal in the english wikipedia.

the article on East Thrace is not neutral.

it is based on ultra greek influence and its devotees.

Oh do and write what you want @Demetrios, there are other pages where the reader can be properly informed about East Thrace. Nalanidil (talk) 13:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: But Muhacir itself, refers to Ottoman Muslims of different ethnicities; as explained in the respective article. There are no Christian Muhacir, thus the term alone implies that they are Muslim and from different ethnic groups. The only reason i removed it was because i thought it improved readability. I added it back, since i don't have a problem with the elaboration of the term. Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

edirne

Edirne is the capital city of east thrace and it doesnt meant the capital city must be the largest, but you or others in the lobby will probably deny it too.

so i ask you what is the capital city of east Thrace, in your opinion? you know everything better anyway.

but you are wrong, tekirdag and kirklareli city are not larger as edirne, edirne is the largest city in east thrace...have a look.

do not confuse with tekirdag provine or kirklareli province...and do know confuse the word capital city and largest city...both are two things. --Nalanidil (talk) 13:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nalanidil: As i also wrote in my edit summary, Edirne cannot be the capital of East Thrace, because East Thrace is not an administrative region of Turkey. East Thrace has a number of provinces, and they all have their own capitals. Namely, Edirne Province, Tekirdağ Province, Kırklareli Province, and parts of Çanakkale Province and Istanbul Province. The city of Edirne is capital of only the Edirne Province. Furthermore, Edirne is smaller than the city of Tekirdağ, but apparently larger than Kırklareli; population wise. Çorlu is larger as well. Specifically, as seen in the List of largest cities and towns in Turkey, in 2015 the population was estimated at:

• ~200,577 for Çorlu
• ~142,602 for Tekirdağ
• ~140,374 for Edirne
• ~64,265 for Kırklareli

Even the relevant statistical subregion – which includes the Edirne Province, Tekirdağ Province, and Kırklareli Province – is known as Tekirdağ Subregion, not Edirne Subregion.

Why would i have a problem if Edirne was indeed the capital of East Thrace? Seriously. Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:52, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Demetrios, interesting, but in popular belief edirne is always the main city of east Thrace, because the oil wrestlers and other festivals like Kakava are also celebrated big there. Maybe this belief is Edirne was once, for a short time the capital city was under the Ottoman Empire. Nalanidil (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I know it is an important historical city, but again, a capital is understood as a city or town that functions as the seat of a government; an administrative center of a country or region. Edirne is capital of only the Edirne Province. Also, let's not forget that Istanbul – the largest city of Turkey and what used to be the most important capital of the Ottoman Empire (out of the five it historically had) – is located in East Thrace as well. Actually, the lede of the article (East Thrace) includes the following: The largest city of the region is Istanbul, which straddles the Bosporus between Europe and Asia. Anyway, hope you now understand why i objected to this. Demetrios1993 (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

There was no Albanian schools allowed during the Ottoman Empire. Therefore orthodox populations used greek schools in the south hence the language use since it was also a lingua franca you can search up education in albania and such as proof

For you to understand Xgameboss123 (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Really⸮⸮⸮ Demetrios1993 (talk) 06:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Eleni Foureira

Please undo to the previous version that existed for a long time for the Eleni Foureira article. A user constantly adds info that was rejected in the past about her Albanian ancestry and although I keep telling them they have to gain consensus for this to do this, in the end the page was locked with their edit maintained. Same applies for Eleni Foureira discography. Thank you. 5.54.248.225

Heads-up. As the admin who semi-protectted the page, there is also mounting evidence that the IP who messaged you is evading a block. If you do edit the article, please make sure you are doing so after your own analysis and not just at their request. —C.Fred (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

And wanna know the reason I became blocked? Simple as trying to fix the Rita Ora article and all related ones regarding her discography as English instead of British, such as in the Dua Lipa article and all related ones from people that come from the uk countries Adele, Ed Sheeran and a lot of other instances. Silly af, isn't it? 5.54.248.225

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Dear Demetris, thank you for your help. I also would like your help in the NY Times article of the 3rd of October 1922. Since NY Times is already used in this page, I do not understand why the following article that I added was removed. So as you are a man in search of the truth, I believe you will help the viewers in this too. Here is the Article link;https://www.nytimes.com/1922/10/03/archives/found-greek-army-ready-to-quit-asia-passengers-arriving-here-say.html . Also, Elias Venezis was alive in the change, but my reference was from 2008 because it had the ISBN. Books before 1966 do not have it. For more detailed explanation you can look at this blog; http://dimitrisdoctor2.blogspot.com/2008/06/h_11.html Utku Öziz (talk) 10:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Utku Öziz: Thanks for your message Utku. Concerning the aforementioned New York Times article, there were objections for its addition by other editors, thus i would advise to ping the involved editors in the respective talk page and try to reach consensus. Remember that verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. There are also issues per WP:RSBREAKING (even though it's not 1-2 days, it's still only 11 days after the event) and WP:HEADLINES (the claim appears to be part of a subheadline). As for Elias Venezis, i have no reason to doubt what you are writing, but i cannot access the blogspot you shared because it contains malware. Is there any other way to verify this claim? Not just for me, but for the other readers who will read the article; per Wikipedia:Verifiability. Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Demetrios thank you very much for your message. I am not that seasoned on Wikipedia and thus understand the issue. I didn't know it was possible to write to other users. I will also try to reach out to you for Parti Pehlivan's case. I created him. He is actually my grandfather of the 6th Generation. I found so much about him and will share them. I can also send to you via email my email is utkuoziz@hotmail.com. For the link I sent you are right it now gives malware, but it is because of a Russian IP connection because it is only http, yet it is in Greek. When I opened it in an MS Edge browser, it opened. But I also took a Print of the page in PDF. I can give it too in my email to you. If this suits you, please shoot me an email. I also want to add testimonies from Greek Soldiers. Also, I have piled up a lot of Information about Hrisostomos. If you email me, I can send such research to you. I speak Greek as well! Utku Öziz (talk) 14:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Regarding Parti Pehlivan, i just recalled that i reverted one of your edits (diff) back in January; i didn't notice that you were the one who began the article. I can revert myself, but is there a reference to support that his birthplace was Sisamia/Nigrita?

Regarding the blogspot you shared, i did manage to enter it safely and verified what you wrote; however, even though the author of the blog makes the claim that Venezis made the changes himself, the only books he seems to be analyzing/comparing are the 1st, 1931 edition, and the last – at the time of the respective article's publication – 2008 or 50th edition. In any case, we still wouldn't be able to use a blogspot of an anonymous author as a reference; per WP:BLOGS. If we can find and verify one of the pre-1973 editions, namely prior of Venezis death, i wouldn't object to the addition of the claim in the article. Maybe there is even a secondary source that mentions this; we could also use such a reference if it exists and can be found. I did notice that the author of the blog mentions Angela Kastrinaki, from whom he received assistance in finding the 1931 edition; maybe she can help. There are also some biographical references he mentions at the end of footnote 1. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Demetrios. I have added the link to Parti Pehlivan. In the book there is a picture of his "Tasfiye Talepname" which states the village Ebdimal, modern Day Sisamia. There are more about him in the archives. How can I site an archive document? Or can I site an archival document? Utku Öziz (talk) 12:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the type of the source. For example, is it a document published by the Ottoman authorities of the time? Archival documents are considered primary sources, and they have to be used with care in Wikipedia. Demetrios1993 (talk) 21:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Demetrios thank you very much, Turkish Archives can be accessed for free from the following site https://katalog.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/ one only needs to create an account. The search engine is not however very user-friendly. I can also add some Screenshots of such documents, which are in Ottoman Turkish. I just do not know how a correct citation is for such documents. Moreover, did you see how MarshallBagramyan deleted our edits on the Burning of Smyrna? Utku Öziz (talk) 09:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, it depends on the source. Is it a book or an archival document? Was it published? As for the revert by MarshallBagramyan, i see that you reverted back; nonetheless, when a user objects to the addition of certain content, it is best to avoid edit wars and try to resolve the matter in the talk page. Demetrios1993 (talk) 12:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)