User talk:Folk Life
Sean Nos
[edit]The page you created at disambiguation for Sean-Nos Dance had a bad title and was not a redirect page. I have moved your chat to Talk:Sean nós dance and created a proper disambiguation page at Sean nós dance. Even on a talk page we do not need a list of redirects: we use Special:WhatLinksHere/Sean Nós dance in America. (I believe there is a bot that fixes double redirects but since nothing points to the double redirects, it is not very importanat.) — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 16:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Two experienced editors are agreed that American traditional informal freeform solo folk dancing is the correct capitalisation. Please do not use the capitalised title. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Folk Life. I would like to commend you on Trojan work on the Sean Nos pages (apologies for lack of the appropriate accent here). These have needed sorting out for a while and you have made great progress on them. There are a few things niggling though. I'm unsure of your use of capitalisation of the term and hyphenation in the adjectival form. There is certainly no consensus on this from what I can see. Now that the sean nos song page is up and running I intend to hammer it into shape over the holiday period and cite all of the content as much of it is opinionated and based on misinformed research (by the authors cited, not you!). Also, I would like to clear up some of the language issues: 'sean nos' means 'old style', 'an sean nos' means 'the old way', but 'ar an sean nos' means 'in the old way'. Anyway, thanks again and just wanted to give you a heads up on the impending tidying up I'm planning. --Seamasmac (talk) 18:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Seamasmac - It's good to see that someone else supports clarifying the difference between Sean-Nós Song and Sean-Nós Dance, instead of lumping them under the one term of Sean Nós. This is such a "backwater" topic that few linked to it within Wikipedia anyway. As far as my meager efforts, I like to think I have done a semblance of "yeoman's work," given that the word "Trojan" implies a hidden surprise. I'll keep an eye out for your input. My exposure to Sean-Nós Dance (vice casual Irish stepdance) only was at one workshop. I prefer how it has few steps/moves that require the foot to lift above knee level (because it is less "showy")—which makes it is easier for all ages to dance.
For a "style guide" of sorts for when it is "Sean Nós" without a "dash" and with, as in the adjectival form for "Sean-nós dance," see the associated article: Sean Nós and Sean-nós Activities. You probably have seen this already? I made the corrections there that you mention for "an sean nós" and "ar an sean nós" ("fada" added). However, I am still confused if people are accidentally forgetting the diacritical mark on the "o" or if "nos" means "way" and "nós" means style? In the [| online Irish dictionary] that I checked, it translates "nós" as "habit" only—when it should also mention "way" and "style," if not also "form" and others?Also, that online dictionary transliterates "nos" to "nós" by adding the "fada" on the "o". Please clarify where needed if there really is a "nos" without a "fada." I'll blame my poor Gaelic on the fact that the teacher was a Scotsman who scared away nearly the entire Adult Learning class before the end of the term.
As far as capitalization goes, I am just starting on Wikipedia and only too late have learned that there are some suggested capitalization guidelines: 1) Wikipedia search text strings are case sensitive except for the first letter in the string, and 2) that "the less capitalization the better," so that a page title (or section title used as a sub-page target) can be embedded in a sentence as link without having to use the link "re-label trick" (with the link first, followed by a "|", and then the label that will be displayed written—all inside the double set of square brackets, of course).
The other implied part of the capitalization rules is that page and section titles only have capitalization for the proper nouns (when the title is more like a sentence). Thus "See Also" as a title for a page section might have both words capitalized, but "How the West was won" should be more like a sentence's case. So, in conclusion, if I was starting all over again with this knowledge, I would have used lower-case as much as possible.
To adapt to variances in spelling/diacritical/form, I also made more redirect entries for the permutations (see hidden comment inserted at bottom of the "Sean-nós dance" page, which is viewable only when in edit mode). Normally things are not that complicated for redirects, but since there are so many variations possible, I took a shot at it. Still, the net result of my understanding is that "Sean-nós dance," "Sean-Nós dance," "Sean-Nós Dance," and "sean-nós dance" appear equally valid (unless I am missing something) and which they want to use is at the discretion of the user. I stucke to "Sean-nós dance" for consistency, but would be equally happy with "sean-nós dance" (as much as possible when not at the start of a sentence). Any of those as a link will still point to the "Sean-nós dance" page (due to the redirects).
Another thing is that I started a page at Sean-nós dance in America. I have moved some of the "general history" part from there to the less-geographic specific Sean-nós dance. -Folk Life (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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Nomination of American traditional informal freeform solo folk dancing for deletion
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This article is part of a series of foundational articles written by the Wikipedian Folk Life, related to confluence of American folk vernacular dance, Irish Sean-Nós Dance, Black street dance, and Native American dance. The fact that this combining of streams is less well document begs for this seminal info in this article to be preserved. To preserve the cultural diversity of origins of dance styles is a significant contribution to dance history. To remove this info to satisfy some algorithm is inimical to the goals of Wikipedia to foster greater knowledge and understanding of roots of cultural experiences. Folk Life (talk) 05:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Nomination of Sean nós and sean-nós activities for deletion
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