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Rejected draft[edit]

I wrote this last night in Quora:

Drat; that was not my intent. I was trying to brush off an intemperate fool, gently. No great effort. Now I discover that there is substance, behind the whiny question which threw off the other repliers. And, it’s substance that interests me. This means I have something important to do; pretty much the same thing I do in normal times. Here’s a picture I took at one of the last teaching sessions I did before the plague tightened its grip.

Since then I’ve been mostly a picture curator. Last week was your big chance, at our regular monthly meeting.

Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/December 2020

As it happened, a newbie in a somewhat similar fix attended, and I didn’t speak up because she’s far away and her topic didn’t much interest me. Had I been aware of a second customer, I would have slacked off my usual curatorial activities and found out how to carry out something like my usual tutoring but via video conference; that will probably be the key. I must learn to use a service like Zoom that allows screen sharing. Fortunately, some of my Wikibuddies are familiar with the technology. I shall ask their advice and eventually make this a routine, displacing less important Wiki routines.

Pending this practice, my earlier advice remains more or less correct. For writing your first article the best method is, don’t. Softly, softly, catchee monkey. I wrote some of the Bloomingdale Road section of the Broadway article years ago; probably some scraps of my text survive. Plan a gradual course of additions. You can add a few sentences and see what reaction you get. Day or two later, assuming no explosion, another few sentences. When large enough (a few paragraphs) it can be its own subsection. Oh, it’s not a Bloomingdale Road section; it’s a 19th Century section, and indeed a sentence or two are still my own prose. Whatever.

The Bloomingdale Library has no article, though its being a NYCLPC Landmark pretty much carries it over the WP:Notability bar. It is listed in List of New York Public Library branches.

That’s probably a good candidate for your first new article since at a glance I don’t see a WP article that ought to mention it.

I was unaware of the Bloomingdale School of Music but I fairly often visit the neighborhood to snap photos; last time was about a month ago when the current third wave of COVID-19 had not yet gathered steam. Next visit will be after it passes. Any other Bloomingdale schools in the neighborhood, I am not aware, though of course the former Bloomingdale Insane Asylum is now Columbia U; the cynical will say it’s not much of a change. Oh, is this PS 163? Anyway, one cute trick would be to collect a bunch of sourced information about W97 St, and start a new article about the street, with a paragraph about the school.

Well, it looks like you’ve roped me into a project. I shall copy most of this into your User talk page; look for the orange alert that you have a message. Better to conduct correspondence there. Wiki software is greatly inferior for correspondence, but it’s public. Every Wikkan can see it (well, the whole World Wide Web can) but we can signal fellow editors that there’s something going on that will interest them. I know a few who are likely, and we can have a gang of experienced editors to work with your neighborhood historians. Incidentally I’m one of the more elderly Wikipedians, though not the oldest I know. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Jim. You're a gold mine. A lifesaver. Whatever the cliche is. I'm over at Sloan Kettering for a COVID test, but I'll get back to you later today. Fuertebrazos (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think about me trying to lightly edit or add to the Manhattan Valley article in order to clarify distinction between the two neighborhoods, see how that goes, and then resubmit a reworked Bloomingdale article that further clarifies it? The fact is that Manhattan Valley is a subset of Bloomingdale, which existed as a neighborhood name long before Manhattan Valley, and is still in use today. See https://www.upperwestsidehistory.org/blog/neighborhood-nomenclature-bloomingdale-the-west-end-and-manhattan-valley - a post by Gil Tauber, who is real scholar, with an apartment packed full of primary sources Fuertebrazos (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now you're getting the idea. Better not present it quite directly as fact. Rather, something of the order of "Joe Smith in his History of Upper Manhattan, p25, ISBN 1234-567 (1868) said the southern border of Bloomingdale is West 93rd Street" or whatever and so did Jane Doe, again with a citation. There's a standard method of citation which is very easy for a book with ISBN, DOI, or other standard scholarly number. Without, it's a little more complex, but we fierce oldtimer vigilantes generally just repair a screwed up citation format without a fuss. Oh, I'm pretty sure your own neighborhood blog site will not pass muster for citation. Interpretation of WP:PRIMARY SOURCE tends to be strict.

Tonight I'm going to relax and not study new things. What I must study with a fresher brain is the use of Google Meet. Apparently it's the easiest way for a slow-minded old guy to host a remote lesson with screen share. Still not as good as biking up from Hell's Kitchen with my laptop and meeting at a restaurant with Wi-Fi, but we do what we can under our limits. I did my virus check over a week ago but only got the (negative) result day before yesterday, due to a password screwup. My schedule is uncertain the next two days; after that I expect to be ready to do our first video teaching session. Having tested and made mistakes with you, I hope to open for business for other new editors.

E-mail me at jim.henderson@juno.com and I'll reply with my real Email address and phone numbers. One more thing, start writing your WP:USERPAGE. Like, what in your background makes you think you can do something useful for Wikipedia. I mean, for me as an educational dropout turned telephone worker and now retired, I have no credentials for scholarship, but I came with the right attitude. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of File:1836 Colton map of Manhattan.jpg[edit]

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Concern regarding Draft:Bloomingdale[edit]

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Your draft article, Draft:Bloomingdale[edit]

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:04, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]