User talk:Gitrdone1957

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I'm hoping this gets to you D728632, The article your refering to has nothing to do with the 320th Bomb Group, 12th U.S. Army Air Corps. I am talking about a World War II unit not something from the 1960's as that 320th air expeditionary wing is. The article I am talking about is what I loaded into the edit section and I see that you loaded it into the section I was refering too. I am new to this site and I didn't know how to load the information to get it into the page like it is now. How do you do that? I would like to know as I have another Citation to load into the same 320th page you put into that section? The 320th also was awarded the French equivalent of a Presiedntial Unit Citation from their country. It is called a French Croix De Guerre. It was awarded to them in Sept 1944. I will enter theinformation on the edit page like I did the 2 P.U.D.s if you will enter it in the page with the 320th bomb group information. I still wish you would email me and let me know ow your entering it? I looked but didn't see a wat to do what you did. Please let me know how you did that? Thanks for entering the information for me. I appreciate it as I am very new to this wikipedia page. I only wanted to enter this information as no one ever has before and the men who served in the 320th deserved their accolades. for the 320th BG.

My father was with the 320th Bomb Group from its first formation in Feb 1942 at MacDill Army ir Corps base in Tampa Florida until alomst the end. He came home Sept 25 1945 and the last of the 320th Came was deactivated December 4 1945, Please load my dads French Croix De Guerre information into the 320th Bomb Group where you did the other 2 for me...............Thanks

Please sign your talkpage contributions by typing four tilde characters ~~~~. This will add a timestamp and your username for reference. And you should also place replies to existing comments at the bottom of the page because that is better to read in a chronological order. But now back on topic. First of all I had to remove the text about the Croix de guerre you added to Presidential Unit Citation. That article is exclusively about the US Presidential Unit Citation and foreign decorations should not be listed there. I'm going to explain to you though, how I formatted your previous text so it fits into the table.

The trick is putting your text into the appropriate table rows and columns. When you open the edit window you'll notice that the section "US Army Air Forces" begins with a headline marker ==== and right below that there is a computer code

{| class="wikitable sortable"

! Unit !! Service !! Year awarded !! Campaign or battle !! Other notes

|-

This is the beginning of the table. The headline row of the displayed table is made up of five columns: Unit, Service, Year awarded, Campaign or battle, and Other notes. Since this is the headline, the table cells are separated by two exclamation marks each. That's the code for it. So now we have to sort or information into these five cells and the appropriate row. The |- denotes a new row where one can fill in another set of table cells with a new unit citation:

| [[320th Air Expeditionary Wing | 320th Bombardment Group]], 12th Army Air Corps || U.S. Army Air Force || 1944 || APO 650, [[Fondi]], Italy || add citation text here....

This is no longer the table headline so the cell separators are now coded as pipe characters. And when this new row is finished, we add another |- to close the row. So you see that wikitables are a rather complicated part of editing Wikipedia and for starting out I'd really advise you to do some plain text editing to get a feeling for the basic internal mechanics of Wikipedia. Alright, now I'm going to add the Croix de guerre streamer to the 320th Wing article. De728631 (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Welcome! I don't think your issue you posted about at ANI requires any urgent administrator attention, so I'd suggest Wikipedia:Help desk instead. I might be able to help you, though. What are the exact titles of the articles you're referring to? Thanks! CtP (t • c) 20:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

CtP is right, but I've still replied to your request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. I'm going to look into the article and will try to fix the layout. De728631 (talk) 21:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've edited the article to make your text fit into the table. This involves a bit of understanding how wikitable code works (see the link above). I've found an article that treats the 320th Bombardment Group, only the title is 320th Air Expeditionary Wing which is the current designation of that unit. Inside article text we can link this like [[320th Air Expeditionary Wing | 320th Bombardment Group]], so only the phrase after the pipe will be shown to the reader. Have fun exploring Wikipedia. De728631 (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Well I think I did something wrong? I went into my page and corrected alot of misspelled words before having and administrator load the text into the 320th page information and when I closed it a warning came up?? I don't know what I did wrong, so I loaded my fathers information into the reference as the warnign wanted to know the reference source. It is from my fathers copy of the battle honors for the French Government for the French Croix de Guerre they recieved. Can an administrator please load the information for me as I'm doing something wrong to be getting a warning flag after putting the corrections on the misspelled words? Please let me know when it is included in my dads 320th Bomb Group Unit Citation section.........gitrdone1957

Looking at this edit difference I think I know what you mean. The <ref></ref> tag is mean to be wrapped around a reference text so that text can appear as a footnote to the main article text. E.g. <ref>This is a reference.</ref> The warning appeared since you didn't put anything inside the <ref></ref>. Generally we use footnotes for brief comments or for citing a publication. See also WP:Citing sources for a documentation. De728631 (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Tnaks for explaining the reson for the warning flag. I thought I put the source in it as my source of this information for the French Croix de Guerre id from a copy of my fathers oders giving him and the 42nd wing the medal. an you please insert it into the 320th bomb groups awardsas it is the Frech quivalent of the U.S. Presidential Unit Citation and the 320th BG, 42nd Wing, was the first American Forces to ever recieve it in World War II. Please leave me a reply and let me know if you can put it in with the 320th. I don't see it now so do I need to re submit it to you or can you see it in my contributions page still? Please reply and let me know...........Thanks, gitrdone1957§

There is already a mentioning of the Croix de guerre in 320th Air Expeditionary Wing, namely in the History/World War II section. Adding the entire citation text would be undue weight so let's leave it as is. I have however added an image of the Croix de guerre streamer to that article's infobox. De728631 (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I read the entire section for the 320th and I must admit I was wrong. It does mention the 320th Bomb Group in the section below that I did not see before, but it does not explain how they got it entirely and that the 320th was the FIRST American service to recieve it during world war II so that is VERY SIGNIFICANT in my opinion since the section for the 320th expeditionary wing does not give the information that I sent in and posted for it to be entered into to 320th. I'm hoping you see the importance of the actual article of award that I posted as it is not the mention but the actual award and how they recieved it and by whom they got it from. Sorry for not seeing it before. It is a very important award and it should be listed since I sent you the actual award for them.It is not much weight since it explaines how they recived it, besides it's not that large of an article like the 2 presidential wards was. It is a very important award so the significance outweights the "leave it as it is" you mentioned. If I knew how to put this award into the 320th bomb groups awards I wouldn't ask you to but I do not know how to place it in there. They do deserve this in their section as they earned it so it's not what you called "undue weight", in fact it is very important since the 320th air wing doesn't show the award information at all, just that they got it but not the actual award presentation that I sent in. Please add this since I do not know how to. Thank you .....§

You could simply open the edit window in 320th Air Expeditionary Wing and add the plain text because this section does not contain any tables. But I foresee that other editors will soon remove your addition. We have a policy about reliable sources and verifiability. While I don't doubt the quoted text you added here comes from the original citation by General De Gaulle, your introduction needs futher references. Other editors around here are more curious and would want to see evidence from secondary, published sources that the 320th was in fact the first American unit to receive this award. Unfortunately the 320th doesn't have an own webpage on the USAF server and I couldn't find any other online sources that mentioned the 320th as being the first ever American unit of WW2 to get the Croix de guerre.

So please understand that adding the citation text alone would be useless, and your claim of the unit being the first to receive this award would likely be removed soon after being added. If you can provide sources like books or magazine articles that mention the 320th Bombardment Group as the first unit of WW2 to get the Croix de guerre, that would really be helpful. De728631 (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point. That is reasonable. Along with my fathers copy there is another VERIFIABLE SOURCE that they were in fact the FIRST ALLIED UNIT TO RECIEVE THIS AWARD. It comes from the Library of the United States Congress, CATALOG NO.79-105410. ISBN 0-9605900-0-5. Boomerang, the story of the 320th Bomb Group. Copyright 1978, by Victor C. Tannehill,Racine Wisconsin. So there is VERIFIABLE information to back up my entry in the 320th Bomb Groups addition of the French Croix de Guerre. All I am trying to do is get this important information added to their Citations/Awards so please list this into their 320th Bomb Group section,ang with the awards page I entered. Please list the Catalog No. and ISBN numbers that are above as my VERIFIABLE SOURCE so someone will not edit this out. This is an important piece of History and it should not be taken lightly.Now can you please enter this information for me as I do not know how to do this and get it entered properly in the sections like you have done.....Thanks

That's awesome. I'm going to add that fact and will use the Tannehill book for reference. Thanks for digging this out. De728631 (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I've now added the "first unit" fact to the articles about the 320th Group (see here) and the Croix de guerre article (here). De728631 (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Are you going to add this into the 320th Bomb Group section along with the 2 presidential unit citiation orders I sent and you put in for me? I would like it to be included with the 320th Bomb Groups 2 P.U.Cs, as it was awarded to the 42nd wing of their unit. Please let me know if you are placing it with the 320th BG and thank you for uploading my information I sent about the french award given to them. would like the entire award orders I placed in here to be placed in the 320th Bomb Group section

The section about the 320th Bomb Group in 320th Air Expeditionary Wing does already mention the two Distinguished Unit Citations as they were called at that time, and there's a Wikipedia link to the main page of Presidential Unit Citation (United States) where the reader can find the full citations. As I said above, I don't really see a point in adding the full quotes to this small section about the 320th Bomb Group in the article about the military unit. It would be unencyclopedic to focus so much on the text of two citations while the general history of the unit has been treated rather marginally in the article. Anyone who's interested in the full text can look it up at Presidential Unit Citation (United States). That said, you are still welcome to edit these articles yourself. It's not as complicated as it might seem. De728631 (talk) 15:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you for your patience and helping me put the 2 presidential unit citations into the 320th bomb groups area. There wasn't anything listed for the 320th bomb group at all until you placed my copy of the orders into it, so thank you for doing that for me. I only asked you to put the croix de guerre in there also as it was significant in being the first award for allied forces in wwII. The link will be fine, I just thought the text of how they got it was important. My father would thank you if he could, so I'm thanking you for this. It was looking at the 320th bomb group text on the 320th air expeditionary wings link and I noticed that their locations of where they were was incomplete.I have my fathers records and where they were in Sardinia was 'Decimomannu' Sardinia and they were in "Alto Corsica. Now if you don't mind you can add where they were since it does not name the towns they were at in those two instances. Thank you for entering all this for me........................§

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I went into the 320th bomb groups page from the 320th air expeditonary wings page on the 12th air forces info of where they were and added the names of the towns in Sardinia, and Corsica that were missing from their stations. The page had the countries but not the names of Decimomannu in Sardinia, and Alto in Corsica. Hope I did it right as I'm learning all this.--Gitrdone1957 (talk) 05:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

320th Bomb Group: French Croix de Guerre Medal W/Palm

I was looking at the 320th Air Expeditionary Wings listing of the French Croix de Guerre Award listing for the 320th Bomb Group and at the right side all I see in their medals listed is the Croix de Guerre w/Palm Streamer but not the actual Medals Ribbon to go with the 2 Presidential Unit Citations. Could you place the actual Ribbon Medal under the Presidential Unit Citation? I can send you a photo of my dads Ribbon if needed.

I know they also was given the streamer for their battle flag but all the men in the 42nd Wing was given the Medal and the Ribbon W/Palm. Let me know if you need a photo of the ribbon and I can send it to you, if you tell me how to load it and send it..........§

 Done. By the way, please sign your contributions to talk pages like this one by typing four tilde characters ~~~~. This will add your username and a timestamp for reference so people can easily see who wrote what and when. Edits to articles, however, are not signed. De728631 (talk) 12:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)