User talk:Hesperian/Archive 21

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Greetings

From the nether world of the long lonely at times insanely absurd hike through Australian categories - I have finally got to the point where I have decided that I should remove unsigned (probably never any use to the category or the average user) comments that appear on some - however before I implement this early may resolution I thought I would pass it by fellow eds albeit admins as to whether I should do so - or should I just leave them. If pressed I could give egs - but the process - of seeing stupid questions or statement with no sigs on the category page - and no sign that there ever will be a followup - seems to invite reverting so as to cleanup the catgory page - and boo hoo to the editors who expected that anyone wouild ever respond to something on the cat page in the first place. any thoughts on this would be appreciated, cheers Satu Suro 01:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that am away from computer most of today will think through another question or two about all this as well - but thanks! Satu Suro 02:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have decided (it will slow things down) to treat each case as I meet it and identify it. Have dropped the impatient deletion idea. The stats (I havent kept a count) are such that I would guess 10% have stupid things on them - I'll take my time with them instead. Oh well so much for a haircut, and what a few other mundane things can do Satu Suro 09:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Hi Hesp, the TBA diagrams would be wonderful can you send them via gmail, also any other species that will be needed in the short term. Gnan garra 13:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User page

I really like that B&W photo on your user page - it's very striking. Your archive list is getting longer than your talk page. —Moondyne 13:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Grieve

Botanist and co-author of How to Know Western Australian Wildflowers. Has this one slipped through your net? Obituary —Moondyne 06:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Is there much on Harry Boan in your Biographical Register of Members of the Parliament of Western Australia? I probably have enough on him to make a start (ADB for one), but you always seem to turn up some treasures. —Moondyne 12:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. There was no need to have retyped it all, a scan would have done. But very much appreciated. And nice work on the BG article. Cheers.

PS: should it be a "1931 Exhibition Scholarship"? —Moondyne 02:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After a little on-line research, I've started an article on the 1851 Exhibition Scholarship and linked to that--Melburnian 06:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anna

She has just made a personal attack to me, and she needs to be blocked. Gherkin30 08:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please watch your civility when you post on my talkpage, just because you are an administrator, doesent mean that you dont have to follow the rules. Gherkin30 13:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You and sorry

I would like to apologise for uploading the images that i did. I was not aware of the fair use policy and not 100% familiar with the image policy, and i will be reading more about it before uploading any further images. Secondly i would like to thank you for your handling of the Gherkin30 situation i agree that it was just a silly spat and Gherkin30 was just inappropriately escalating the issue for no reason.

I thought your comments (on his talk page) were civil, to say the least.

thanks again and i am sorry for the inconvenience.

(Anna Vida 05:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

You've got mail!

&c. Orderinchaos 07:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

um

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A1936_in_Australia&diff=128409061&oldid=20920002 one of the more intriguing items found (and deleted) from a cat talk page today :) or should it be :( Satu Suro 12:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The mind boggles. Hesperian 12:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Specially when I get tags mixed up very late at night Satu Suro 12:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See what tagging does - apologies for the raves - too much WP Australia NA=yes on the brain and it comes out like that. I do hope you understand the symptoms - too much tagging - and then suddenly it all spills out. cheers Satu Suro 13:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotection

Thanks for the unprotection Hesperian. I'm hoping you might be able to advise on Australian federal election, 2007... for the SA and federal election pages, I have a navigation bar at the top for the previous, current, and next election links. SA 2006 has "< 1997 2002 2006"... I want to add "< 2001 2004 2007" to the 2007 fed page but can't figure out how to do it due to the way the template was designed... suggestions? Timeshift 13:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright Problem Maybe?

An editor just raised a possible problem i might have with some of the images i used on Template:PSA Portal - all of the schools logo's - i have bugger all idea with copyright (as with much else) - can you guide me as to whether this is a copyright vio? Thnx Twenty Years 09:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Mast

Thanks for the message about Austin Mast. Actually, I did not really suspect vanity in this case; it's simply a case where I felt that notability wasn't sufficiently established yet in the article (though I had a suspicion that he was in fact notable enough). In the three sentence version of the article (when I tagged it), notability wasn't at all obvious, so I just thought it needed to be fleshed out a bit more. Dsreyn 13:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cripes

I dont think we are going to forget that bloody article for a while :) Satu Suro 12:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now now we must speak very kindly to bots - I am sure they will all one day bite back when we least expect it :) Satu Suro 12:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops... it was still there when AWB picked it up as being in the category "Unassessed Western Australia articles" :| Will be more careful next time. :) (At least I didn't give it high importance or B class or anything. :P) Orderinchaos 13:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eucalyptus argutifolia (Wabling Hill mallee)

Just keyed up a better stub for Wilbinga, Western Australia (just beyond Two Rocks) and found there's a type of mallee named after the local land feature which seems to be endemic to the area. Any good ideas for places to look for more info about it? Orderinchaos 12:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I might have a try at it myself for a challenge and then if I can't do it or only get so far, I might leave it to the experts :) I've located a journal article at the Battye that seems to be a primary source on it and I'm at the Battye tomorrow for unrelated reasons so may see if I can get a copy. Orderinchaos 12:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be great re the two Kennington ones :) As for Battye, yeah, it's a single stack request and about 40c, so I might as well do it there. Orderinchaos 12:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Old User Page

Yes please, user and talk page would be awesome. thanks alot. best wishes Twenty Years 15:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Am I being unreasonable?

I have commented here on Guinea Pig FAC - I am keen for others input, either to support if they think I'm nitpicking or to comment/help out etc. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 23:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, it's now promoted. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 00:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clifton

I've been DABing Clifton and DABbed your naked redirect, then realised what I'd done and unDABbed it. So that's what that's about... Chris 21:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Swan C P

Apologies its such a mess Satu Suro 14:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Trawling your new stubs and tagging them - dreadful stub indeed! - cheers Satu Suro 02:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC) It was chaotic (fagging) more later - and as for s c p - i missed your point about feature I have more recent access to images and possibly texts re that good idea - now off for long time (tonight :)) - btw watched docker game live yesterday - good stuff! Satu Suro 02:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Gawd things must be bad when you save my only prod to date for posterity :| Satu Suro 02:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yule Brook

Success I have the photo's both of B.T and the region Gnan garra 05:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The commons cat has some uploading as of now, further images from this location will be add tonight, note image 23,25,27 I know exact location so should be able to return monthly or so to photograph the regrowth, and hopefully some of those seeds will grow. Gnan garra 08:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I get the impression that there was something else you want a photo of ? Gnan garra 14:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting Edits

Thanks Hesp, Just trying to save the popular Salad Fingers from the deletionists wrath.I must admit Im a bit over editing after Mark Jeffrey and Thematic Interpretation were both wiped (See my contribs perhaps you can reserect em). Plus moving and stuff. Leaving WA end of July to run a pub in the UK. Best of luck to you WA guysGhostieguide 08:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hesperian, I should have sought you help earlier. I dont have a copy of my Thematic Interpretation article it got Deleted and redirecred by an admin as vanity before i finished adding refs its about guiding technique when presenting tours http://www.tourismtasmania.com.au/tasind/thematic/thematic.htm http://www.buseco.monash.edu.au/units/tru/publications/pubs_ham.php

It was a genuine article on an interesting subject fundamental to interpretive tourism I studied it to become a guide. if you can get the article back I am happy to work on it in a sandbox until its good enough to be allowed to be a stub. Ghostieguide 13:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking

about putting The Western Australian flora: a descriptive catalogue as a see also in the eco region arts as well as chapman did work with the early IBRA and the Thackway and creswel work as well - reckon thats ok? Satu Suro 07:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you read chapmans intro you might think otherwise (somehow I have 3 copies of the thing its going cheap via wildflowers and associated groups) - however I'll leave it for the moment. cheers Satu Suro 07:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - the WA flora article mentioned above has a link to a pdf of alexs intro -Satu Suro 07:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No probs at all - I have had the brilliant opportunity to both uncover some of my book collections and the increased access to state ref library due to my tee level son wanting to use the alexander library building as base for his studies at the moment (hence my totally stretched multiple threads and resources are now beyond hope as I joined the vet sci project - as I am also uncovering my fathers vet texts and notes from the 1930's... ) so I figured if I could populate stubs with what I perceived as a further pieces of the jigsaw in the evolution of the ideas of ecological regions... but remain open to suggestion or correction as I flounder in the field of too many threads and ideas (once again ) Satu Suro 12:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

V. thapsus

I've done the big part of the work, and it's at User:Circeus/Verbascum, any comments/suggestion? I'm sill waiting for the German refs that User:Djlayton4 said would look up for me, but this is the gist of it (I'll move the hybrid list to a table and link to a few synonym lists). The Linnean typification project says that V. x thaspi is a nomen ambiguum, but I couldn'tfind anything about it (and several actual uses of it). Any idea what I should do with it? Circeus 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up mentioning it with a "possible nomen ambiguum" note. Also, I've thought of a reasonable way I can get a distribution map.Circeus 00:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trolls

Yeah, I'd assumed that it was Jazzper when he subsequently added the image to your talk as I was blocking him. I was going to change it but thought, big deal, what's the diff? —Moondyne 12:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Three trolls - lucky you. What do you make of the others at the top of User talk:Greengiraffe? —Moondyne 12:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, is that what its like being an admin getting your user page turned into a circus? gee, Satu Suro 13:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah well theres no sign of your slaughterhouse activity - but maybe the server/delay/catchup thingy is on drinks break in florida :) Satu Suro 13:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite Frank Zappa line from the early 70's theyre probably all out to lunch heheh very different meaning to what the ave oz would make of it Satu Suro 13:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey sorry for editing the WCE page.

FloraBase

Hi Hesperian, you've been busy - my watchlist has lit up like a Christmas tree - that will teach me to to meddle with your state's flora ;) BTW, I like your new-look user page - very Beatlesesque.--Melburnian 06:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, now you've done the hard work of redoing all the links to the old template, you may as well delete the redirect. As you say, its a much more appropriate title.--Melburnian 01:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New art

would appreciate if you could give a once over of the new western mail art I started, ta Satu Suro 13:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually now 2 - new arts - the Western Mail (I kept getting offended by the welsh newspaper and nothing at our end) and the Sesqui books (Moondyne has moved it out of the qualifier)

whoich is missing the campbell sharman politics edition - nothing to write home about - but links from both could be an industry alone (the way 79 books authors -most are dead and need arts/links if they have em) - oh just a btw - filled the barlow chambers art with refs - reckon there are a few derivative arts due from that was well.. sigh a morning on and gotta get off soon Satu Suro 04:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks heaps for that- in the end what does that do? make it easier for...??Satu Suro 04:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That alone is enough Satu Suro 05:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salsola kali

Hi. I just noticed that you've redirected Salsola kali to Salsola tragus. They are different species according to the integrated taxonomic information service. The taxonomic serial number for Salsola kali is 20655 . The taxonomic serial number for Salsola tragus is 520950. Perhaps the confusion occurs because some subspecies of Salsola tragus have been misidentified as subspecies of Salsola kali. Presuming I'm correct about this, could you fix this up, please?EAS 18:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. The Australian Plant Names Index contains a simplified output service[1] and a full output service.[2] The simplified output service states that Salsola kali is now Salsola tragus. But the process by which it extracts simplified output must be flawed, as the full output merely states that Salsola kali was misapplied to Salsola tragus in the Australian Plant Census.[3] I don't have time to tackle it right now, but I'll sort it out tonight or tomorrow at the latest. Thanks for letting me know. Hesperian 02:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick response. I learned from researching our discussion that most of the species names in the Salsola article are "unreviewed;" there are only 6 accepted species in this genus. So perhaps we'll get this clarified also.EAS 02:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's fixed. I didn't actually redirect S. kali to S. tragus previously - I moved the S. kali article to S. tragus, and the redirect was created automatically. I have now moved the article back to its original location at S. kali, and deleted the redirect from S. tragus. This means we no longer have an article on S. tragus, but that is better than having an article full of incorrect information predicated on the notion that it is the same plant as S. kali. Hesperian 01:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll do my part and work on the Salsola article.EAS 02:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh at last

unlike certain other fruitcakes who go around with a watchlist of 5000 hanging off them- at last I realise what I am - an almost double fruitcake - yeehah! :) Satu Suro 07:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help at my talk - off most of the day it seems - cheers Satu Suro 06:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think she must have a problem. There is also one at ti-tree - I think you might be able to help - but I wont bother if you dont venture into it Satu Suro 13:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC) Sm gmail on that Satu Suro 00:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey

Thanks. —Moondyne 06:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome. I was thinking of it more as a good read than as a good reference. Hesperian 06:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It was a bit of both. —Moondyne 07:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking section

Tony Senatore just blanked out your comments on his talk page - have reverted. Maybe you need to be a bit more forcefull with this user. --Mikecraig 01:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clever solution. Well done. —Moondyne 13:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hesperian, have you seen the latest comments from Tony Senatore re: theangelsband.net? --Mikecraig 05:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Closed tag

Thanks ... I thought it was something like that but clearly didn't look carefully enough. Much appreciated! Sterry2607 06:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Followed on from your lead...

Got sick of correcting references or having excessively long ones so I created {{LandInfo WA}}, {{Streetsmart WA}} and one other whose exact identity I've now forgotten (it'll come to me). This should help every 6 months when the DOLA/DLI/Landgate/WALAI changes its name and website address. Orderinchaos 11:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks for that - forgot completely about cats! (I created the WA geog cat a while ago as a bucket of tools) Orderinchaos 11:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thursday PM

Just watched aunties program Crude (Jeremy Leggett again) and then saw your retrieval of the Megafauana of charismatic form from an oblivion - well done a carbon molecule from somewhere or other thanks you! Satu Suro 14:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good old charismatic megafauna :) (I seem to remember an amusing discussion on this topic last year) Orderinchaos 14:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think they (charismatic meger-faune) got let out for editing tonight :) Satu Suro 14:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly seems that way. One of them was silly enough to post up his photo too, seems we have a case of bored schoolchildren on a Friday evening. Orderinchaos 14:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

I understand your comment you made on my talk page, but the revert you just did to List of watercourses in Western Australia restored a link to a disambiguation page that I was trying to fix. In this case, the link needed to be fixed. Zab 06:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The name

Does not resonate with any part of my wide range of threads - or with my usual check points on the road to notability - pray tell context!? Satu Suro 14:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didnt even think of the old girl enrietta when you first asked. give me a day or two - if necesarry remind me Satu Suro 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Ive just uncovered some mags in the shed (like parts of a very long run of wa wildflowers etc) It would be something to look out for over the next month or so as I am sorting through things - there are so many WA writers, and others who need arts - started Juniper during the week - I probably have about 100 people (and not one on that dreaded list) who need arts as I go through things - will be very slow to get them up - i think our mate will show up in stuff that I will be dealing with anyways.Satu Suro 05:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This conversation needs to go to gmail - itl take me a few minutes to do it :) Satu Suro 05:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you have the time - check out the work of this guy on henrietta - Graham, Bruce (Bruce Howard), 1912- Satu Suro 06:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Btw - I dont want to encourage a merge under any circumstances - but am a bit concerned about the Eastern-Goldfields and Goldfields-Esperance articles confluencing a bit - any ideas ? Satu Suro 06:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

I'm sorry but i seem to understand what your problem is, I alerted you to a possible sock puppet, which apparently sockpuppetry is such a bad thing on wikipedia. So why do you then block the IP address, i haven't done anything wrong, in fact i did a good thing.

What is your problem?

Wait

I am sure that you can understand why i would be reluctant to re-start contributing as when i did before, i was threatened with potentially being blocked.
And when I was trying to clear up the manner and trying to understand what was meant by various comments,
i was threatened again without actually doing anything wrong because it was believed that I was, trying to re-ignite the fire, so to speak.
I was not aware that i had violated the conditions of my "Second Chance" - As put by the user Moondyne
Because ->
I was not attempting to post potentially libellous material
And as far as i could tell, i was not flaunting Wikipedia policies
Unless by some bizarre coincedence they happen to involve the messaging of Wikipedia users/administrators when trying to understand cartain issues
Such as what i had done wrong

And the only reason that i have not been contributing is because
1. I am currently in the middle of studying for my Yr 12 exams. Because i want to study engineering at university and unfortunately i need more than a pass mark.
And 2. Because, as you will see, i started an entry entitled AMPFEST about an annual youth-initiated Battle of the Bands with which i am involved and have been collaborating information and trying to attain permission from the people involved so that i would be able to provide an accurate and LEGALLLY sound entry.

But from my perspective, this is just a big misunderstanding because of my initial post on the scotch page, which in heinsight was probably inappropriate due to the whole thing that wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and that my attempts to verify what i had done wrong were misinterpreted as hostile remarks
Because I was actually involved in the whole Strippergate story and have heard both sides and was wondering if anyone else had heard the same side as me, though i unfortunately tried to reinforce my querie by providing what i thought to be the relevent information, unfortunately for me, it was quite one-sided and opinionated
So for that i do apologise--Willkca 08:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- And the only other thing that I wish to add is that if you block me, the only think that you will accomplish, is to justify that you would rather abuse your power as an administrator than to hear both sides of the story--Willkca 08:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brya sock catch

Thanks for recognizing the User:Brya sock so early. A check user was run and Brya has a total of 12 minorly active socks doing Bryafications.[4] KP Botany 03:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oz biota

Please reassure me I am not out of line putting the very messy set of oz fish arts into that project - surely they belong yes? Satu Suro 12:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC) It is such a mess (fish in general in oz) - that I would say the fish persons's (struggled on that possessive) dont know what the middle finger is doing, let alone which hand ... sigh Satu Suro 23:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very fishy business, it is. Orderinchaos 00:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore the above comment, folks; its a red herring. Hesperian 00:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The scales of justice. GrahamBould 07:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If this was IRC... "/me slaps GrahamBould, Orderinchaos, and Hesperian with a big wet tuna". I feel so old now, so i'll shut up. Thewinchester ^(talk) 08:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Best leave it at that I think; my pun quote is full to the bream. Hesperian 12:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And to think most of the poor creatures in the Australian fish category are sharks for a start - that says something... Satu Suro 07:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More banksia photos coming soon btw, courtesy of ECU... just thought I'd warn you in advance :) Orderinchaos 07:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page header

Hi Hesperian, given your efforts in improving WA Biota I've uploaded a new header for your talk page

It was taken at in the Brixton Street wetlands reserve, I'll be uploading some general area images tonight from there. Gnan garra 09:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brixton St Wetlands

Looks like an interesting article will develop for this region. Just looking through Google got 300-400 hits mostly funding for site work, enviromental restoration etc. Two more images now uploaded Image:Brixton st wetlands 04 gnangarra.jpg and Image:Brixton st wetlands 02 gnangarra.jpg Gnan garra 14:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstars

Well, I didn't see that subpage, otherwise I would have posted it there, and also cleaned up your awards too. And as you know, the glass is always half full in my part of the world unless dealing with WP:VSCA such as Out Now Consulting or Aquinascruft. Thewinchester ^(talk) 01:08, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The billion sister-project-template problem

Yeah, as the sister projects develop, there's going to be a need for a better way of organizing those: perhaps something like how it looks on the bottom of the Main Page. That would take some serious reworking though, I suspect. If you decide to start up a policy/tech discussion about it somewhere, please let me know... because it's a better sooner than later sort of issue (all of the other projects are going through rapid growth lately). --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 09:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Burning jarrah

I have the horrible itch to make a separate jarrah page - bit like orang utans in popular culture - nah just joking. Good to see your moniker in there - its been a very strange 24 hours wiki wise - some wonderful and weird and worrisome events makes reality look really cheapskates! nuff said Satu Suro 12:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

God you have given me an idea about that - I was seriously and genuinely joking - but I probably do have access to enough material to do just that from the inherited books Satu Suro 12:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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