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I am not here anymore and I won't check my talk-page - if you need me, email me.

March 2010[edit]

Just in case somebody wants to talk to me. Hpvpp (talk) 10:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Keith Allan (actor)[edit]

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Morenooso (talk) 05:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

So be it. Hpvpp (talk) 05:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Linguistic relativity and the color naming debate (summary)[edit]

I am interested in knowing what this page is for. It appears to be a duplication of text from another article, written by another user, which would make it copyright infringement. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I am sorry, and I should have prepared all this in my user-space, but it turned out to be a little bit more complex than I had anticipated and I made some typos and then everything didn't work the way it was supposed to, making me really confused, but then I noticed that the text had been replaced by a redirect (courtesy of you) and I now have learned yet another aspect of wiki-culture.
My idea is mainly to have a separate summary-page to be transcluded wherever it is needed and to use that same summary-page as an integral part of the page it summarizes. That way, when some editor makes an improvement on the main page and as a consequence needs to adjust the summary, any other page that transcludes that summary will be automatically be updated.
Hpvpp (talk) 03:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
That is an interesting idea, however, I am not sure when this would be necessary. Most articles only need to wikilink to the original article when a summary this lengthy is involved. What I mean is, when the article is mentioned, someone would more likely link to the article than attempt to explain the whole article in the other one. For example, "He was involved in the Linguistic relativity and the color naming debate." Here, rather than explaining what the whole debate is, some context is given, and the whole topic can easily be accessed. I encourage you to contribute to the original article, as you seem knowledgeable on the subject and have found references. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 04:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
It all depends on how much of the referred-to topic is part of the rhetorical structure of the text. Think of a scale with at one end of the scale see-also topics collected at the end of the article and at the other end of the scale summaries positioned at a strategic point within the article and your example somewhere in the middle of the scale. In this case, linguistics is still young and there are many points of disagreement. Someone wishing to know more about a particular topic should be made aware of alternative explanations, especially in the case where some academic discipline propounds something akin to a collective POV. Where there is no consensus, there also cannot be a neutral POV. Transcluded summary-pages are then useful to present a balanced article.
Hpvpp (talk) 05:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
I find your idea intriguing, but still feel as if you would need consensus and a policy written before making it common practice. In any event, I believe the correct namespace for a age like this would be the "Template" space, so I will move it there. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 05:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
By the same token you would then need consensus to have it in Template space. To me a Template is to data like a macro is to a program. An article is data and so a summary of that data is also data. I am new, indeed, but not naive. I propose you start a discussion to find consensus. I will participate, if I may, because I have other ideas that might be useful.
Hpvpp (talk) 05:48, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
I merely follow recommendations at Wikipedia:Transclusion, namely that "In the Wikipedian context, it is the use of the template functionality of MediaWiki to include the same content in multiple documents without having to edit those documents separately". In fact, I believe all pages meant to be transcluded on the project are currently in template space. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 05:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC) > Pages with a common section says "Pages like C can be put in the same namespace as A and B; advantage: the kind of content of C is the same as that of A and B". Perhaps my usage is uncommon?
Hpvpp (talk) 07:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I've just never seen it used that way, that's all. According to that page, it's not incorrect to place it in the article space. Perhaps I was hasty... かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 07:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, what do we do now?
Hpvpp (talk) 06:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I have created an improved version for the Linguistic relativity and the color naming debate at User:Hpvpp/Sandbox with a test page at User:Hpvpp/Sandbox/testcases. The idea is that anyone can edit the summary wherever they find it, but they are then first directed to the template which gives them all the relevant information for using the template and appropriate warnings to be careful in editing and take into account the various contexts within which the template is used. (When implemented, the spurious references to my sandbox won't be there, of course.) Could you give me your opinion, please?
Hpvpp (talk) 07:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm just not sure how to proceed with the idea; perhaps a request for comment would draw in the input of those who have more experience in template procedure and syntax than I do. かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 07:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

For the time being, I have proposed that the articlespace redirect be deleted; when the RfC closes, if there doesn't seem to be consensus that this should be adopted, the template can be substituted to return the article text and then deleted. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I was going to.Hpvpp (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


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Welcome to Wikipedia, Hpvpp! I am Scapler and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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かんぱい! Scapler (talk) 04:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

thanks! Hpvpp (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Interlanguage links problem[edit]

I have added a reply to Wikipedia:Help desk#interlanguage links problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:25, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Experimental languages[edit]

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unwarranted - see the article's talk page.
Hpvpp (talk) 03:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


Hallo Hpvpp, De softredirect (een sjabloon) wordt gebruikt omdat we anders jou pagina's in de foutenlijst steeds zien terugkomen. De software herkent de redirect als niet goed werkende en meldt dit. Via dit sjabloon dat er vrijwel hetzelfde uitziet wordt dit dan opgelost. Groetjes - Romaine (talk) 09:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Sonja Elen Kisa[edit]

After discussing the matter with Daniel, I have recreated this page and set a different protection configuration. Feel free to edit it as you wish. Best, NW (Talk) 14:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

thanks Hpvpp (talk) 00:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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I am now proud owner of a TUSC account!

Sapir-Whorf hypothesis[edit]

  • Hey, I noticed that you were interested in writing a section on the origin of the term "Sapir-Whorf hypothesis." I at least mentioned the term as a misnomer, but I wrote what I feel is a somewhat clumsy (and perhaps overly concise) single sentence explaining the misnomer's origin. Would you still interested in making that new section or at least helping to better explain the misnomer? Thanks! Wolfdog (talk) 02:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I will help, but it needs to be a consensus exercise and I have no doubt that both Cnilep and Maunus will keep an eye on developments. I did propose (at Talk:Linguistic_relativity#cleanup) to separate out the history of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis in order to make the article more concise and also because that hypothesis is sufficiently noteworthy of itself to warrant its own page. Perhaps you could revive the cleanup-discussion? Hpvpp (talk) 03:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Fads and fallacies[edit]

Hi - I made some corrections to the Fads and fallacies article (I had an email from Prof. Michael Heap asking if I could help). they are likely to be reverted for 'political reasons' (I was banned some time ago for making accusations about a senior person here). What I did: (1) correct the article so it is clear what Gardner is actually arguing. He is taking a bunch of theories which for the most part are patently indefensible, and making observations about 'common characteristics' (NOT criteria) of the proponents of these theories. He is also NOT claiming (as the criticism suggests) that we can judge a theory by the psychology of the person who put the theory forward. Thus the criticism is a straw man. Best. Peter Damian VII (talk) 11:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

What is in a name[edit]

"2/0" is just a rendering of "2over0", which is my full username. My signature also includes a link to my contributions, abbreviated "cont."

Anyway, thanks for starting the new discussion at Talk:Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science. It seems to have stimulated some more interest, perhaps even enough that we may get some better sourcing out of the discussion. - 2/0 (cont.) 07:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I read the intro to WP:POLL and I thank you for reminding me. The reason I called for a vote was to get some clarity in who is involved and why so. I don't have rights to see who is watching the page, but I suspect there are many more than have contributed so far. Also, I wanted to prompt editors into clearly stating their position, because,in my opinion, the issue here at Fads and fallacies touches one of the major weak points of Wikipedia. Hpvpp (talk) 08:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


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Hello, Hpvpp. You have new messages at WP:AN.
Message added 20:14, 4 April 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Seems to be confusion of what going on The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 20:14, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Continued at WP:ANI -- Hpvpp (talk) 10:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Admin culture[edit]

I am interested in your spat with 'Iridescent' re what you allege to be an 'admin culture'. Are you progressing with the complaint you were considering?! I very much hope so, as I am certain that an 'admin culture' exists and the reason for my interest is that Iridescent has just launched a thinly-veiled attack on me which I strongly suspect is a prime example of what you must have in mind. Basically, I don't care what s/he thinks of me; my concern is that s/he made out to have a superior knowledge of my subject while simultaneously demonstrating that s/he didn't. I have clearly stated that I am a 'beginner' Wikepedian, and this sort of attack would most certainly be disconcerting to, say, 30 - 50% of new editors when encountering it in this form.

My problem is that I don't know how to complain; although I am led to believe that I must try an initial approach in person to Iridescent. So I will hold back on this for the time being, to see whether you would like to give me any feedback on your own concerns. If I don't hear from you within say 3 days I'll go ahead on my own.

(My own 'dispute' referred to is on the WikiProject Bridges talk page I think!) Flying Stag (talk) 23:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Iridescent closed the discussion I started giving a justification I didn't find reasonable. I complained about that User_talk:Iridescent#Unwarranted_closure here and at WP:ANI. That discussion was moved back to WP:AN by Beyond My Ken and subsequently closed by Fastily after which I gave up. I then raised the proposal at WP:VP/PR that only admins should be able to close discussions on WP:AN, but I am getting the impression that nobody cares.
The complaint of there existing an "Admin culture" has been raised before, but so far nothing has changed. To be sure, there have been, and still are, discussions going on and if you search for them you will find some illuminating ones. Also, there are the complaints raised at the March 2011 Update. However, I think that the problem is an unavoidable consequence of Wikipedia philosophy "anybody can edit". The real problem, I think, is that there are no acknowledged experts.
Which brings me to your problem. If you are an expert then you should have no problem in finding secondary sources to support your claims. Photographic evidence would count as primary sources and any interpretation you draw from it as WP:OR original research, hence iridescent's warning of WP:SYN. However, rather than feeling offended and complain, it would make more sense to acknowledge being a newbie and ask iridescent for help. -- Hpvpp (talk) 00:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Many thanks for this. I am in fact a sort of expert (structural engineering theoretician with no particular knowledge of bridges) and indeed do not anticipate any problem in locating sources as time goes by. My difficulty with iridescent is that he seems to have banged on about bridges which are long dead-and-gone with a lot of what to me sounds like unsourced 'pov', whereas I am only interested in the bridges which have survived! And he is not even a Wiki Bridges participant. Anyway, despite being a newbie, by and large I get on well with the 'anyone can edit' philosophy and have not prior to this had any probs with 'admins'. So I remain unclear as to where iridesecent was coming from but it's now all water under the bridge (no pun intended). But I'll follow your advice and see if I can get this guy to help. Flying Stag (talk) 13:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

"Multidimensional Family Therapy"[edit]

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Not my problem - I basically split off the text from Cannabis dependence and improved it. -- Hpvpp (talk) 04:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Multidimensional_family_therapy. Corvus cornixtalk 05:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)