User talk:JHarbinger

Welcome!

Hello, JHarbinger, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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other accounts

Would you please clarify -- have you also edited using:

Please be aware that it is not OK to use multiple accounts to edit the same subject matter. You may not have known this. Assuming you didn't know, if you just

a) disclose all the accounts you have used, and
b) cease using all but one

it is "no harm no foul".

Please reply here and let me know if those two accounts were yours (or someone working with or for you), and if there are any others. I can help deal with formalities of marking them, etc. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those accounts are not me or anyone that I know (as far as I know). Thanks. JHarbinger (talk) 19:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying Jytdog (talk) 19:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

OK, so picking up from the discussion at my talk page, here...

Thanks for disclosing that you are Jordan Harbinger, for creating an account, and for submitting for verification. We can do some orientation work while that is pending.

So...

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Unmanaged conflicts of interest can also lead to people behaving in ways that violate our behavioral policies and cause disruption in the normal editing process. Managing conflict of interest well, also protects conflicted editors themselves - please see WP:Wikipedia is in the real world, and Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia for some guidance and stories about people who have brought bad press upon themselves through unmanaged conflict of interest editing.

As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step, which you have begun. To finish the disclosure piece, would you please add the disclosure to your user page (which is User:JHarbinger - a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I am Jordan Harbinger and have a conflict of interest with regard to the page on myself and related topics" would be fine. If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it, but please don't add anything promotional about yourself (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).

I added the disclosure to Talk:Jordan Harbinger, so the disclosure is done there. Once you disclose on your user page, and address the question about alt accounts above, the disclosure piece of this will be done for the most part. I will pause here before moving on to step two. Jytdog (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jytdog: I can confirm that an OTRS ticket was received and the user verified. The user page has been created and tagged as such. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 18:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Jordan, just waiting for you to add the disclosure to your userpage... whenever you are ready we can move on to the next steps. Jytdog (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think I just did this. Is it sufficient? JHarbinger (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC) JHarbinger (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is promotional. Please remove the content about podcast and the link to "podcasting". You cannot use WP for promotion or SEO purposes. Jytdog (talk) 21:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not. I couldn’t care less about anything like that here. I’m just trying to comply with these guidelines so we can move forward. I have no interest in spending more time here than necessary. Thank you. JHarbinger (talk) 21:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the WP:COI guideline and follow it.

I have no interest in trying to help you further. You have the links to the policies and guidelines in the welcome message above. If you continually violate them, your editing privileges will end up being removed or restricted by the editing community. Jytdog (talk) 21:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No policies were “continually violated” so I suppose there’s nothing to worry about here, especially since, once again, I have no interest in editing anything. I was merely pointing out your mistaken use of paid and non-credible sources in this article. Thanks for your help and have a great day.

I wrote "if". Jytdog (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Do you need help? I'll be more than happy to help you if you do....

It looks like we might have gotten you off to a frustrating and wrong start on Wikipedia, and I'd like to offer to help you as well as go over Wikipedia's policies with you so that we can make sure that your edits are in compliance with them. I don't want you to feel like you're doing anything wrong nor do I want you to be left feeling treated like a new person that we don't care about - this is absolutely not how we feel nor is it how we want you to feel at all. I'm hoping that after we go over some policies and guidelines that you'll understand, have access to the proper channels so that you can suggest edits in the areas where you have a conflict of interest with, and in hopes that we can possibly keep you as an editor who may be interested in becoming a member of our community and working to grow and expand Wikipedia in other areas where you don't. Please know that you can reach me at any time by messaging me on my user talk page here, and I'll be more than happy to help you if you wish. I hope that I get the opportunity to help you and, if anything, at least make sure that you leave with positive impression on Wikipedia and knowing that there are users who care and are here to help. Best regards - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:53, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is not a very promising start. Looie496 (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Oshwah:@TheSandDoctor: Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vix sapientia, where this account has been blocked for socking. Clearly, the secondary account(s) should remain blocked, but I think that things may need to be worked out with the BLP subject. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish - Thanks for the heads up :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tryptofish:: It was a Check-user block, so it would have to be brought up with Bbb23. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 18:45, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but I think that admins are better suited to discuss it with Bbb23 than I am. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:49, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Harbinger described one of his techniques for researching people here on a podcast in May: "Go to Wikipedia. Find the “talk page.” That’s where all the editors argue over what should go in the actual Wikipedia article....You get these stories that you would never get if you just looked at the person’s LinkedIn or Facebook profile.”

It turns out to have been unnecessary given that, but I notified him above that the COI guideline exists to protect article subjects.

He knew what he was doing this whole time. I don't understand where you are coming from. Jytdog (talk) 18:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that you are directing that at me, you and I have differing views about how aggressively one should prosecute these things, and please understand that I do respect your point of view. Let's leave it to the admins. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it was addressed to you and for anybody reading this. I do understand our general disagreement, but it remains hard for me to understand here. Some people bumble into trouble and if that were the case I would understand better. That is not the case here. He chose - and I mean "chose" - to play it this way. Jytdog (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]