User talk:Jbhunley/Archives/2016/October

Glebos Tkachenko

I think the Article I am working wright now Is very nice, It's about young artists, I preform dozens of independent references to proof the information I have researched, I can not see any reasonable reason to delete it. I still working on it, So I would really appreciate if I have some more time to develop the article. //redacted a bunch of references I can see in article in question Jbh^Talk // — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dusavitskiy (talk • contribs) 09:49, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dusavitskiy: I would suggest, very strongly, that if you wish to create an article on this subject that you make use of the Articles for Creation process and draft the article in DRAFT space. That way it will not be subject to deletion before you have been able to get it to a level which is acceptable for Main space. Right now the article is not significantly different to the version which an AfD discussion decided was not appropriate for main space. If you would like me to move the article to DRAFT:Glebos Tkachenko please leave me a note here and I will do so for you. Jbh^Talk 18:02, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I think this time I could provide more information and references, so If you can move the article to the DRAFT space that would be quite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dusavitskiy (talk • contribs) 17:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Dusavitskiy: There is not a current article to move, however you can click this link --> DRAFT:Glebos Tkachenko and it will take you to a blank article in draft space. Place {{subst:AFC draft|Dusavitskiy}} at the top of the document and save it to create a draft.

Please make sure to review Reliable sources, General notability guidelines and Notability criteria for artists. Also, it was mentioned at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glebos Tkachenko that this looked like an autobiography. Please read the guidelines for conflicts of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography. If you have any questions please let me know. Jbh^Talk 18:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Art Supawatt Purdy

I'm trying understand the process now I know I started wrong with Art Supawatt Purdy article and should have started with the article of creation. But could you please help me to understand more about these articles (and hundreds more) and how they are not deleted? Are they paid articles? or are there something under the table I dont know about? Otherwise, it seems like a double standard to me, and wrong for the people who comes to Wikipedia for information: Worarat Suwannarat
Sririta Jensen
Mai Charoenpura
Wannarot Sonthichai

Thank you so muchGreekadoniz (talk) 04:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is written and curated by volunteers there are often inconsistencies in articles. We call arguments based on that WP:OTHERSTUFF ie other stuff exists but just because one or many non-policy compliant articles exist does not mean another should. If you feel the article you mentioned do not pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines then nominate them for WP:AFD. That is how the system works - sometimes bad articles get through, if someone notices them they try to fix them, nominate them for deletion or, as is often the case, if they are uninterested they ignore them. -- No conspiracy, no underhanded dealings, just lots of people working randomly on a site with 5,000,000+ articles and hundreds of new ones per day of which many are written by people who do not understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. There are about 3000 highly active, long term experienced editors here to write content, manage the internal editorial processes, review new articles, fix old articles and help new editors hopefully become long term editors. Some stuff just slips through. Jbh^Talk 05:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

So you didnt read them or check the history, because you did you would learn that they have been nominated for deletion and they;re still there. I want to learn, not to cause problem for other people or being baby by saying why they can and I cant. I ask you because I htought there is a simple explaination that I dont know.

Tokyogirl was saying about the article I used in my reference that she cant comment unless she sees the article. I understadn that you would have to be the one to undelete my article after seeing better reference so Where can I send the scanned pages to please?Greekadoniz (talk) 09:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I am not an admin and can not undelete however the article was only redirected so the text is available in the history. Someone has already copied the text to DRAFT:Art Supawatt Purdy for you. You should work to improve the article in Draft space and then use the Submit your draft for review button to get an AFC reviewer to look at the article. If a lot of the sources are in Thai you should ask at WP:WikiProject Thailand for a Thai speaker to review it. (@Kudpung: Do you speak Thai and do you know anything about this actor?)

Also, I looked at the articles the ones which went to AfD were closed as No Consensus becuase no one !voted. The one which was deleted CSD#A7 was not the same version (I assume) because A7 means that the article made no claim of significance, for example it may have just said '... is an actor.' I suspect the reason they have not been nominated again is no one wants to for a WP:BEFORE because they do not to speak Thai and do not want to search for sources. If you know enough about the Thai film industry to know they are not notable and think they should be deleted I can walk you through how to AfD them. The easiest would be to activate WP:TWINKLE in your Preferences and use its XfD menu item and type a reason like "There is not enough significant coverage in reliable sources for this article to meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR." If you do choose to nominate them please notify me and I will sort them into deletion categories so more people will see the discussion. Jbh^Talk 12:42, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Based on this I think en.Wiki should have an article on Art Supawatt Purdy. This was one example where nominated in good faith, an AfD failed miserably due to lack of knowledgeable participation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I had looked at a GTranslate version of the Thai page but, while there was a lot of information about him I could not see any RS to back it up. Everything seems to be really brief mentions of him in the movie and it does not seem he has a big role in Soi Cowboy, at least not from what I can find (From what I can glean he likely just sang the theme song). Do you know if the TV shows and other movies are significant enough, and his roles prominent enough, to get him over WP:NACTOR#1? From the Thai page it looks like he played unnamed roles ie "aid worker", "Runaway" and a lot of odd things like "Mach", "floor", "the screen" which must be machine translation errors. Or maybe one of his songs made a national chart? (I do not even know where to start for Thai music charts - all of the sources provided are press releases) If so I have no objection to bringing the article back as a stub under an SNG but all of the biographical details seem to be coming from places like IMDB and this.

I did a search on the th-wiki's article title ศุภวัฒน์ อ่ำประสิทธิ์ (Which Google back translated as "Supachai Valley gloomy performance" which seems an inauspicious name for an actor :) . My guess is Google does not have Thai to English down yet.) and from this it looks like he may not even have a big following in Thailand if a "fan site" is anything to go by. I found one article from a news site which would not translate [1] and lot of Thai coverage which looks be in relation to Gold 10 but nothing jumped out at me as being more than passing mentions of him.

It is frustrating, the original author really seems to be trying to get a good article together but I can not find and they do not seem to have even a single solid independent RS write up on him. From his site, where I would expect to find chart listings, links to major articles etc, it looks like he is mostly a model [2]. There are dozens of cover shots but not much else. Jbh^Talk 15:48, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

There are still a few languages that machines will probably never be able to translate, and Thai is one of them. Common first and family names come up with ridiculous equivalents, something in Thai could translate as The tree on the moon favours egg yolk for washing machine bearings. Furthermore, Thai has very little grammar as we know it, no inflection, and no punctuation, so where we rely heavily on tenses, gender, number, and mood, Thai can only be largely understood by context, which leads to enormous problems of communication even between native speakers. Finally, We must be tolerant with articles from and about developing countries where Internet based sources may be scarce. It's really a question of a mild form of IAR. I would not waste too much time and energy on it - we have far more important things to chase such as COI and other paid advocacy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Kudpung OK. Thank you for looking into it. Also, fascinating about the Thai language... Cheers. Jbh^Talk 17:56, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

He has a pretty big role in Soi Cowboy if you actually see the film. Not only he recorded 3 songs for the soundtrack, he also appears as himself, the Thai Star that the lead female adores very much. A few clips of him from his mini-series were used in the film to establish that is a star. Clips from Soi Cowboy on Dailymotion showing the lead female watch Art Supawatt on TVClip from Soi Cowboy showing Art sing songs from his album in a private live Performance

I can not find a fan site for him either, but I found his youtube channel. There are serveral clips from Gold 10 or Thong 10 more than 300,000 hits with over 4000 followers. Please check it out here: Art Supawatt Purdy Youtube ChannelGreekadoniz (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

My best advice is still to go through Articles of Creation and WP:WikiProject Thailand. I simply can not in good consiance say I think he meets, or comes close to meeting, Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion - YouTube hits and such simply does not cut it. If you work with WikiProject Thailand you may find editors more familiar with his work who can judge the argument that he has had enough significant roles in enough TV shows to pass WP:NACTOR and they should be able to judge the coverage in the Cover Man source as well - I thought I had seen the Living in Thailand article and it barely mentioned him but I can not find it now so I may be misremembering but AFC can work with you on that.

It is always difficult to show notability for non-Western people and subjects on en.wp because we are inherently biased to English sources but in this case even the article on the Thai WP does not have better citations. Please feel free to contact me if you need other assistance but I am out of ideas as far as this article goes. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 17:56, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

You obviously have not look at the Living In Thailand im referencing, because my reference has him on the cover with two other actors and there're at least 2 pages combined of his interview inside along with those 2 actors there are 6 pages. I understand you probably dont have a lot of time to devote on my article to really check my reference, but please dont assume the worst and say things like 'it barely mentioned him' I spent many many many hours researching trying to proof that the article im creating is good. I went out to looking in many old magazine shops for magazines, any magazines that talks about him. Its not that hard to find them in Thai, but its super hard to find 2 in English. Im willing to send the article to proove....but you chose to shoot it down and implied that my reference is worthless.

Does someone has to be popular to be notable? BUt you said he must not have big follower because you found a gossip site that was created in 2008, long after he was relevent. So I go and find something current in youtube to show you that if you want popularity, he may have some, considering a total of almost 3 million hits he's got on his clips. I was not using his youtube as a reference, but to show you that your guess and assumptions about him once again is wrong. I dont know if you're being this way is your way of teaching me to dig deeper and to become a better Wikipedia Editor, for that I thank you and I will not give up. As long as I know that in your heart, you know I am on the right path and doing the right thing. THank you again.Greekadoniz (talk) 18:38, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

As I said above I may have misremembered or been thinking of another source... no need to go off the rails. I have given you my best assessment and told you how you may be able to proceed via AFC and WikiProject Thailand.

Please, if you have not, carefully read, a couple of times, Writing your first article and our basic policies; Verifibility, Notability and the associated General notability guidelines, our policy of what is and is not a reliable source and our policies on biographies of living persons. Once you have done so select three or four solid Independent (Not from a publicist, or a press release but from a third party completely unconnected with the subject) reliable sources (I would suggest that each source have at least 2-3 paragraphs discussing him, if one is a full page or more then you probably can get by with 2 or 3 initial sources). Once you have those write a couple of paragraphs citing each factual claim to one of those sources. If the sources are offline it may be a good idea to use the quote= parameter in the {{cite}} template to include the quote and a translation to help the AFC reviewer, the quotes can be removed before finalizing the article but knowing the text you are working from will help the AFC reviewer a lot. You can then use the less detailed or lower quality sources to flesh out stuff like the discography, TV and filmography tables if you need to but it is those initial few sources you started with that will matter for notability. After you have done that submit the article to AFC.

That is the best advice I can give you, don't pile on lots of little passing mentions or social media comments or links to movie scenes - pick three good sources you can write an article from. If you can not find those initial sources demonstrating "significant coverage" then move on to a different topic because 95% of the time if you can not demonstrate basic notability with 3 sources then it does not matter what you pile on as references, the article will not pass GNG because no amount of passing mentions, minor quotes, blogs or social media can take the place of those initial "significant coverage" sources - that is just how "notability" works at Wikipedia. Jbh^Talk 19:27, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, and Thank you for still mentoring me. I hope this make you proud. I found a way to create an external link to the raw scan of the magazine article about him in PDF file. Would you be so kind and please follow the link and see if I can somehow use this as my reliable source? I thank you in advance:

1. Big Chilli Magazine: Art Cut Loose
2. Living In Thailand: Man In The Dock]
3. Gent: Cover Man]
4. GM Magazine: From The Cover & The Script of his Life]
5. KhunYing Magazine Ask The Stars: Love Life]
6. Movie Entertainment Home of the Star- Supawatt Aumprasit]
7. PuYing Magazine All Star Duo-The New Generation]

Greekadoniz (talk) 20:01, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the links. I reformatted things a bit and deleted the hyperlinks because they are "links to copyright violating material" - see WP:COPYVIO. (Personally I consider the links fair use for the purpose of examining them but others may disagree and since I have looked at them there is no more need for the live links. Just do not link to the scans in the article.) I can not assess the Thai language sources and I doubt an AFC reviewer would be able to either so when you cite them in your draft I suggest doing it like this <ref>{{cite news|periodical=(Name of journal)|title=Article title|page=page number|date=date of issue|quote=The Thai text you are basing the statement on // An English translation of the text}}</ref> See {{cite}}. As to the two English sources I think #2 is quite good, it is definitly not the article I thought it was. Source #1 is kind of meh mainly because it does not have a byline and could be a press release. Assuming a couple of the Thai sources are in between #1 and #2 in quality then you have enough to, in my opinion, establish notability and write an article.

If you do the citations and translations as I suggested when you write the draft you can leave me a note here when you are done instead of, or as well as, pressing the Submit your draft button and I will review the article for you. That said, even if I think it is good enough there are no guarantees someone else may not think it is not.

Start by writing something and citing every claim of fact, opinion or quote to one of those seven sources. Do not bother with tables or even different sections, just get three or four paragraphs written based on those sources, with citations and translations then ping me and we can go from there. Jbh^Talk 21:01, 10 July 2016 (UTC) (edit conflict)

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. It may take me till next weekend to do this becasue I have to work during the week, but Ill carefully do as you advise me. THank you again for giving a chance from the beginning, and willing to stick with me (and my ignorance) until now. Greekadoniz (talk) 21:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

No rush. I will be on holiday part of this month, you can check the orange banner at the top of this page or my user page if I will not be active for a week or more. Other than that I usually see messages pretty quickly, my day has lots of little bits of free time but not often long stretches of it.

Everyone starts out ignorant of the arcana of Wikipedia, I think Wikipedia does a horrible job of explaining to new editors what is actually involved in writing a good article about a notable subject. I hope that once you get the hang of article creation you will choose to continue at Wikipedia. We need people like you who are willing to track down old sources and write about topics not easily accessible. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 21:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

You're right about that new editor is almost like working in the dark. I learned from looking at other articles and studied the differences by examining the differences in codes, syntax and markers. Using trial and error with many many previewing to find what I want. Then, I learn bits by bits from you and your advice each time you suggested something.

To be honest, I went through the extent that I did because I want to prove myself to you and everyone that I am correct. Sometimes your comments are encouraging but sometimes are harsh but I can feel that you meant well. Your harsh comments really worked to challenge me even more to find the way to get my point across when i believe that I am right. Sometimes I almost think you made those comments on purpose to help me, like what my teachers in college used to do to push me. I'd like to continue to be a contributor on Wikipedia for sure, I already know what I want to write next. This time though I will do it the right way. Greekadoniz (talk) 05:48, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Apologies if my comments were over harsh, I tend to be direct but I do try to admit when I am wrong - that and I am an American and no one in the rest of the world ever accused us of having a polite culture even when we are trying not to be obnoxious . Looking forward to seeing your article. Jbh^Talk 14:46, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hello how are you? It's been a long time. I've been so busy at work that I haven't had time to work on this article until tonight.

I didn't press Review yet because I would like to let you know first that Im back working on this. I worked on it exactly (I hope) according to your kind suggestions. I believe I have a good bias straight point article. Would you please check it out? and let me know what to do next? I dont mind spend more time on it, if you find anything I can improve please let me know. I want my first article to be 'a good article.' THank you :) Greekadoniz (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

@Greekadoniz: Good to hear from you! Draft:Art Supawatt Purdy looks very well done to me. To transfer it into Wikipedia space you can click this link [3] to edit the redirect. Just remove the #REDIRECT line and paste the material from your new draft into the article. That will keep the old editing history intact. If you have any problems doing that just let me know and I will do it. Or if you want to go through the AFC submission process and have someone else look it over you can link them to this thread where we discussed the sources and him passing WP:GNG. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 20:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: I did it, THank you, Thank you, Thank you...the article is live on Wikipedia. I'm so glad I didn't give up. Thank you also for being so patient with me. I know there're a lot more to learn still about writing and editing on WP, but I'll take time and master it one day lol. The next article I am hoping to write is about this 86 years old Thai Director who's still very active and still working today making and producing films. He's like an Icon in Thailand, and done so much in his 65 years career but yet he doesn't have an article written about him on WP!. I will write a draft and present to you, if you dont mind reviewing it for me, when you have time. Again Thank you :) Greekadoniz (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

He sounds like an interesting article subject. I would be happy to take a look at the draft. Jbh^Talk 05:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

@Jbhunley:Hi, how r u? THank you for defending my article for me. As for the picture, 'This file is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and allowed only under a claim of fair use per Wikipedia:Non-free content' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Art_Supawatt_Purdy_GM_Magazine_Thailand_Cover_1999.jpg. I thought I did it right but if you deleted it I probably did something wrong. Can you please advise me how did I go wrong? THank you very much :)Greekadoniz (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I am fine, I hope you are doing well. In regard to the picture you should read WP:Non-free content#Images. In the case of pictures of people it only allows for "Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely." Basicly no non-free pictures of living people are allowed regardless of a fair use claim. It is a pretty esoteric rule and not one you could be expected to know. Jbh^Talk 00:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC) PS {{ping}} only works when you make a new edit which you sign with four ~'s. In this case it does not matter because whenever a comment is added to an editor's talk page the software automaticly sends a notification/ping.

THank you once again for your guidance. I wanted to put a face to the article because I thought it would make the article more complete. So I did some research on Thai language source to find out out this 'fair use' but nowhere on there did it give such detail and clear explanation as the link you guided me to. Learning everyday, unfortunately in my case, learning from my mistakes! and thank you for the tips about the 'ping' also.

May I ask one more question please. While I was doing research for the 85 yr old dirctor I found some pictures of Art Supawatt among many topic pages of celebs with this sign CC BY-SA, on all of them. After reading up on it, to my understanding, I thought it's a permission to use the pictures and info on the page. So I uploaded one of the picture here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ArtofLoveCDCover.jpg and give proper credit the best I know how. Now, its being requested for deletion. WOuld you be so kind and take a minute to look over it and see if that picture is appropriate to be used on wikipedia? Thank you in advance. From now on, with your permission, I think before i addd anything I will ask your advice first. I dont want to do anything wrong and cause you to save my article again. Please dont be sick of my 'thank yous' yet. I just dont know how else to show you my gratitude and how much I really really appreciate you , your time and every one of your advices. Thank you :) Greekadoniz (talk) 01:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm... The first thing you would need to is make sure the people granting the license are the original copyright holders. Usually that would be the photographer who took the picture. Wikipedia is very picky about using images which are not-free because lots of people make copies of Wikipedia to use for different, sometimes commercial, purposes.

For the CD cover JJMC89 noted he found a conflicting license/copyright notice. Also, I do not see anything on the page you linked that gives me confidence that the whoever posted the images was the original copyright holder. In cases of copyright we always err on the side of caution.

Please do feel free to ask me any questions you want and I will answer to the best of my ability or try to point you in the righ direction although sometimes I am not around for several days. Also, some of the editor who watch this page may answer. Also, the WP:TEAHOUSE is a great place to get questions answered. There is also Wikipedia:Editor assistance and {{help me}}. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 17:29, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm... The first thing you would need to is make sure the people granting the license are the original copyright holders. Usually that would be the photographer who took the picture. Wikipedia is very picky about using images which are not-free because lots of people make copies of Wikipedia to use for different, sometimes commercial, purposes.

For the CD cover JJMC89 noted he found a conflicting license/copyright notice. Also, I do not see anything on the page you linked that gives me confidence that the whoever posted the images was the original copyright holder. In cases of copyright we always err on the side of caution.

Please do feel free to ask me any questions you want and I will answer to the best of my ability or try to point you in the righ direction although sometimes I am not around for several days. Also, some of the editor who watch this page may answer. Also, the WP:TEAHOUSE is a great place to get questions answered. There is also Wikipedia:Editor assistance and {{help me}}. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 17:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

FRANK WILDER

Hi there! Re: Frank Wilder -- Please let me know how I can improve the article, relatively new here. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshulz109 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jshulz: Hi! I am about to go to sleep so I can not go into specific issues now but I will give you some of my general boilerplate advice:

Wikipedia has policies and guidelines on what is appropriate to include in the encyclopedia. For articles the most important thing to be done is establish notability. For this we have out general notability guidelines which in short require significant coverage of the subject in independent, reliable sources. There are also various specific notability guidelines which give additional, usually easier to meet, criteria to establish notability. In this case those are the specific notability criteria for any biography and the general notability criteria. If an article subject meets our notability criteria an article can be kept but it is not required to be kept. If the subject does not meet those criteria than there may not be an article on that subject included in Wikipedia. We do not make any judgement about the subject's importance or contribution to society we only judge if there has been enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to allow us to write an informative and neutral article.

You need to show how the subject meets our notability criteria and how that information can be verified by coverage in independent, reliable sources.

What I noticed about your article is that many of the sources do not discuss the person or only mention him in passing while others are not what we consider reliable sources. What you need to do is find 2 or 3 magazine or newspaper articles that have at least a couple of paragraphs dedicated to him, base the article on those and remove the references that do not specificly mention him.

You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh^Talk 05:09, 2 October 2016 (UTC) Re-do ping @Jshulz109: Jbh^Talk 05:09, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

The future of NPP and AfC - progress

Thank you for joining the The future of NPP and AfC Work Group

There have been been recent discussions and some special task pages have been created. for your attention and input. Please visit the following pages to get up to speed and add your comments, particularly the straw polls and priority lists. Please also add these pages to your watchlist.

• en:Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC/To do
• en:Wikipedia talk:The future of NPP and AfC

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:The future of NPP and AfC/To do

Hi. Thank you for your participation. Please complete your list of 10 priorities. The sooner all work group members have completed this task, the sooner the WMF will start doing something about it (or so they tell us).--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done Jbh^Talk 05:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

BSI

Hello Jbhunley, Thank you very much for your concerns into the BSI article addressed on Oct 2. I will try and make improvements and better follow Wiki expectations. We logan (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Abstract sensualism

I got your deletion email. I have a question. Expressionism was developed by Monet. Cubism was done by Picasso. Why can't a new art form be by DeRubeis. We are not marketing him. It is a new term that got registers as an art form and I provided its history and description of how it is made — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:1780:EED0:F91E:E23:9649:F0EE (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Guidance Barnstar
		I want to express my deepest gratitude and thank you for your time, your guidance, your advices, your patience and a chance to prove myself. Your kindness and devotion will produce many quality editors who will fill every single byte of Wikipedia with only good quality articles. You are truly an asset to Wikipedia. I'm glad that you found my article and recommended it for deletion. lol Thanks you again teacher! Greekadoniz (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

@Greekadoniz: Thank you very much. I am very happy you were able to get your article written. I am glad to have had some small part in helping you succeed. I hope it is the first of many for you. Editors who create and expand articles are our most valuable resource at Wikipedia. I look forward to your next article! Jbh^Talk 17:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Patrolling the patrollers

Hi Jbhunley, would you be available to give some thoughts on this tool which has been created in part to "patrol the new page patrollers"? It is not currently complete, but lists the latest 500 page patrols a user has done. Any feedback would be appreciated -- samtar ^{talk or stalk} 20:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@Samtar: I will give some thought to this and see what I can come up with. Off the top of my head I would like to be able to see the Patrolling actions (tagging, marking) they made on a page, patrol actions by other users on that page as a chronology. For instance did they tag it BLP Sources only to have someone come along and BLPPROD. Also something that shows unreviews of an editor's reviews and who performed them. Being able to look at a timeline of tagging for a page would also help a lot.

I do not know if any of that is possible but anything that helps the person reviewing another's actions to see how things evolved would help. It also may prevent 20/20 hindsight issues.

Thank you for your work! Jbh^Talk 20:53, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

(stalking) @Samtar: Are curation and deletion tag logs not featured? It's probably what Jbhunley's referring to — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 23:30, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

RfC for page patroller qualifications

Following up from the consensus reached here, the community will now establish the user right criteria. You may wish to participate in this discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Meghna venkat

I will take some time to develop this page. She has got many awards and great Bharatnatyam dancer. Give some time. Please don't delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navamoini (talk • contribs) 01:42, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

@Navamoini: Welcome to Wikipedia! In order to remove a WP:BLPPROD you need to add a reliable source which supports some claim about the person. A reliable source is something published using strong editorial control, in this case something like a newspaper or magazine with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. The sources you added look to be blogs and press announcements which do nor meet this requirement. I would suggest that you find three reliable sources that have at least two or three paragraphs discussing the person. This is needed to pass Wikipedia's general notability guidelines and if they are not present it is very likely that, even if the BLPPROD is removed, that the article will be considered for deletion at Artcles for Deletion.

I know these requirements can be frustrating but there must be enough coverage by reliable sources to show the person is notable. The sources must meet the requirements of a reliable source because everything in Wikipedia must be verifiable. This is even more important when the subject is a living person.

Please feel free to ask me any questions, here or on the article talk page, and I will try my best to help. Please make sure to click through and read the blue links above. They contain much more information. Cheers. Jbh^Talk 13:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Madhuri Desai article photo deletion

Hello, I donot understand why the photo got taken down from the new article ' Madhuri Desai'. I didnt do any copyright infringement. Kindly explain to me why the photo in the article got taken down. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiusermumbai (talk • contribs) 16:15, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

@Wikiusermumbai: The article has been published elsewhere. Unless you took the photo yourself, or have purchased the unencumbered copyright from the owner, and release it under a proper listens it is a copyright violation. If you are the copyright owner email permissions@wikimedia.org and someone will walk you through the process.

If you are a close enough associate of the photo subject to own the copyright of the photo she uses on her Google+ profile then you very likely have a conflict of interest and need to read and follow Wikipedia's guidelines at WP:COI. If you were paid to create the article then you need to read and follow the policy at WP:PAID which, among other things, requires you to disclose, on the article's talk page and on your user page, who is paying you.

(Please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~. This will insert your user name and a date stamp when you save the page.) Jbh^Talk 16:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I'm new here. Couldn't figure out how to continue the thread. So had to start a new thread. Thank you for the explanation. It was my original photo but you are right to say that it was used in other places by others. If I want to post an original never-used-before picture of the actress, will I be allowed to do so? What rules have to be followed in that case? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiusermumbai (talk • contribs) 16:56, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Kindly let me know. Thank you. waiting for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiusermumbai (talk • contribs) 18:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

First you need to clarify your relationship to the article subject. If you are close enough to them to be able to make photos on request you likely have a conflict of interest and need to follow the guidelines outlines in WP:COI or, if you have been paid or otherwise compensated, those in WP:PAID. Second please sign your comments as I mentioned to you before. It is required and repeatedly failing to do so can be considered disruptive. Information that and how to edit talk pages can be found in this brief tutorial on editing talk pages.

For the image, you can upload a photograph that you took yourself, have not published elsewhere and release under an acceptable license which you choose in the upload window. I would strongly suggest that you contact permissions@wikimedia.org to get the copyright permissions sorted before and put the WP:OTRS ticket number with the upload. Jbh^Talk 19:10, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Ogloba page

Hi there.

I'm new to this, and really tried to make the page objective, rather than promotional. I guess i failed miserably. Any pointers?

DavidFound (talk) 21:08, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

@DavidFound: The article has been deleted so I can not refer to it to see what the specific problem was. I would suggest that you read Wikipedia Neutral Point of View and then use the Articles for Creation process. This will give you time to work on it before it is subject to deletion for not complying with Wikipedia's content guidelines. An experienced editor will then review it when you are done and either move it into article space or tell you what is wrong. Right now there is a backlog there so it may take a long time to get a review but having an article deleted repeatedly for promotional content is likely to get it WP:SALTed so I really recommend going through the AFC process. Jbh^Talk 19:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Anjali Bhardwaj speedy deletion notice

Amritajohri (talk) 06:05, 12 October 2016 (UTC) Hi Jbhunley You had tagged the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjali_Bhardwaj for speedy deletion citing copyright infringement of http://info.risk.thomsonreuters.com/2016-South-Asia-Risk-Summit-Speaker?elqTrackId=3f97ea98255c45fba3034e76619d1b75&elq=00000000000000000000000000000000&elqaid=7075&elqat=2&elqCampaignId= I have now edited the content to address the issue of copyright. Also, the content for the Wikipedia page and also on the thomasreuters page have in fact been sourced from the bio note of Anjali Bhardwaj. As she was a speaker at the Thomas reuters event, her bio note was put up on their website. However, like I mentioned, I have edited the content just to be sure. Please review the changes and suggest if the page now meets Wikipedia standards. Thank you.

@Amritajohri: Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for cleaning up the article. A good way to see if you have chunks of copied text to to click the view copyvio report link in the CSD notice at the top of the page. It will highlight spans of matching text. Even if nothing matches watch out for WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASEing which can still be a WP:COPYVIO. An admin who is familiar with dealing with copyright will take a look at the article and remove the tag if appropriate. Make sure you keep a copy of the article offline so if they delete it you can ask them to explain what they found wrong. Jbh^Talk 13:53, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I just looked at the article. An admin cleaned up the rest and removed the speedy tag. Jbh^Talk 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Setsiled WP:REFUND

Hello, you have deleted the page Setsuled which i wrote, where can i find what i had written? i would like a copy of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdaZaurak (talk • contribs) 19:12, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@AdaZaurak: The deleting admin was Peridon. You can ask them,on their talk page, for a copy of the article per WP:REFUND. Your article was deleted due to lack of a credible assertion of significance. Wikipedia has content guidelines which specify what subjects may have an article. First they must be notable as described in the General notability guidelines. Essentially there must be significant coverage in reliable sources about the subject. This means major newspapers, magazines, books, scholarly articles etc not blogs, Facebook, self published material or press releases. A good rule of thumb is at least 2 or three sources with 2 or 3 paragraphs of coverage. Passing mentions and quotes do not count towards notability.

I hope this is some help to you when you attempt to rewrite your article.

(Please click through the blue links. Those terms are used in particular ways on Wikipedia and the links explain in more detail.)

(Please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~. This will insert your user name and a time stamp when you save the page.)

Jbh^Talk 20:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: ok, ty

AdaZaurak (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Do not delete "Dhindsa" page

Page made for Dhindsa should not be speedily deleted because... -it is a famous family name within India, that many people hold around the world. There are many surnames on wikipedia from Indian heritage, why are those not being deleted? I find it offensive, and I want this page to stay for when people search Dhindsa, they could know about the family name- and people who bear the family name. It was removed two days ago because someone thought it adds no relevancy, but it does within the Indian culture/around the world. I did not take part or know of any consensus for deletion of this page, if I were to know about it, I would definitely not let it happen. Please don't change anything on this page unless you have something valuable to add or edit- maybe to the sources or cutting out some information. Other than that, leave it as it is, it is a perfectly acceptable page to have on Wikipedia as there are many other Indian surnames on this site which have been kept- let alone other ethnic family names. Have a great day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themanfromindia2016 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Themanfromindia2016: The article was tagged because an article with the same name was recently deleted at AfD. An admin compared the page and removed the tag because the two articles were different.

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Jbh^Talk 01:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jbhunley Okay so is the page staying or not? If yes then great, thanks! If not, then what needs to be done in order to keep it, because I want the page to be on Wikipedia. • contribs) 01:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Themanfromindia2016: There are no deletion tags on it now and I do not see anything that should result in it being nominated again. I marked it reviewed and it is on my watchlist. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! Cheers. Jbh^Talk 01:58, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Why Adnan Xavier Fakhouri?

Hi!

Can you please explain why the page " Adnan Xavier Fakhouri" is still tagged for deletion?

Thank You! Hft272727 (talk) 02:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Hft272727: As near as I can see it is not. It is tagged with {{notability}} and {{npov}}. The notability tag means it may be considered for deletion at WP:AFD in the future if something more than local "hometown interest" type coverage does not turn up though. Also, see WP:BLP1E for information about people notable for only one event. Jbh^Talk 02:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank You for the response!

It is definitely a good idea to add more reliable sources, thank you for this recommendation.

I made sure to add in other larger sources rather than just "Hometown Life" or "Birmingham Patch" with an article from the Detroit Free Press, which is one of the top read magazines in the US and used by Bloomberg. I also added "Benzinga", a source that has a very broad focus on news and business all around the US.

I also removed the bias that was clearly present. I think someone got a bit carried away writing it at first.

Thank You for the recommendations!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hft272727 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Hft272727: It looks like someone just nominated the article for AfD. Since it is already on my watchlist I will go over the sources and do some searches of my own and give my opinion at the AfD. If I do not get to it tonight it will probably be early next week - the AfD will run for at least 7 days. Jbh^Talk 02:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank You so much!! I highly appreciate that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hft272727 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Patrolling

I have tagged User talk:WebCite with the first of three user warnings. I will be out of town for the next few days. The rest of the incremental warning templates are Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Templates#UW reviewer. If you use the third one, let me know. If patrolling persists, good or bad, after a further 6 hours, either start an ANI requesting a short (24 hr), preventative block or find an admin to do it.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

BTW: Now that NOINDEX has been restored and applied to all new articles and pages moved to mainspace, until they are finally checked off as 'patrolled', there is now absolutely no excuse for rapid reviewing and we have some breathing space.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:18, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Jbh^Talk 18:53, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

• May want to take another look at things in this area. As Velella pointed out, now redubbed Streetfog seems to be spamming user talks with NPP templates seemingly without regard to the articles themselves. I'm finding myself unconvinced that this user is any type of asset in this area without substantial additional editing experience. TimothyJosephWood 13:06, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

@Timothyjosephwood:They have not patrolled anything since they were warned by Kudpung [4] so hopefully they have internalized the message. Everyone screws up now and again, more so at the beginning, but they have had many opportunities to learn and show no appearance of having done so. I agree with you that they are not an asset with respect to NPP now and are unlikely to be so in the near future. I am glad they are enthusiastic and I hope they accumulate more experience at RCP.

Right now the only thing to do is see if they start marking new pages patrolled again and then take them to ANI. (They have been asked to slow down or stop several times. They just blank their talk page at least daily.) I'm trying to work through their old patrols but I only get through a few per day when I need a break from RL work, and they have a couple hundred. Jbh^Talk 13:44, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Review of Matthew William Knowles

Hello Jbhunley and thank you for your review and feedback of the page Matthew William Knowles. I have reviewed your suggestions and added some additional citations to the page to help with authenticity of the content. I also removed your proposed deletion string (as per your suggestion). I welcome further review and suggestions to help improve this page. Matthew is one of the most popular American actors working in China today and we would like -in time- for his Wiki page to reflect this. Voleares195 (talk) 19:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

@Voleares195: Unfortionatly IMDB is not considered an independant reliable source for purposes of notability and is questionable for other claims because it contains user generated content and material inserted by the subjects or their agents. What is needed are articles which provide significant coverage on the person ie a minimum of 2-3 good paragraphs. Passsing mentions, quotes. If the roles he had were significant then he likely will pass the notability criteria for actors but Wikipedia requires that the information in a biography of a living person be verifiable so each statement or claim needs to be supportable by something published in a reliable source.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a vehicle for promotion so a small amount of verifiable, encyclopedic, content in an article is much better than a press release bio. The best rule to follow is for each statement of fact make sure you can answer, and preferable cite in the article, "where did this information come from and how can a reader check its accuracy".(Please click through the blue links. Those terms are used in particular ways on Wikipedia and the links explain in more detail.) Jbh^Talk 19:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Also, from the way you are writing is sounds like you may be associated with the actor or his press agent. Are you? If so Wikipedia requires that you disclose, per the policy on paid editing, your employer and client on your talk page and on the article's talk page and follow the best practices outlined in the conflict of interest guidelines. Thank you. Jbh^Talk 20:04, 21 October 2016 (UTC)