User talk:Jonathanbishop

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Jonathanbishop (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribs deleted contribscreation log change block settingsunblockfilter log)


Request reason:

I have made all my concerns known via the official channels, namely the relevant notice boards, and all users have done is work the rules to my detriment rather than following them in black and white. Unlike Guy, I have not taken Wikipedia into my own hands by removing content that he claims was created by me when it was not. Guy should have gone to the COI board like I did to raise his concerns, not unilaterally remove content without first discussing it. I have raised all my concerns on the COI and Admin intervention page, but I have been ganged up on unfairly even though I followed all of the rules in black and white as they were intended all the time. It is others that did not follow the rules and I cannot be punished for pointing out when those rules were not followed. Wikipedia rules should be interpreted in black and white, there should be no shades of grey in interpreting Wikipedia's to allow users to discriminate against people they do not like, such as Guy and all his supporters have done to me. Wikipedia should ensure its rules are always followed in black and white, else it is an anarchy even if it is not intended to be! I should not be blocked for following the rules - all those that did not follow the rules should be!

Decline reason:

Being familiar I feel uniquely qualified here. Your problem here is the same as what led you to being blocked. You blame others for your mistakes, and you have a twisted view of Wikipedia policy. YOU might think they should be enforced as "black and white" but the entire foundation of Wikipedia, the Five Pillars says they shouldn't. The net result is you continue to ignore policy and operate under your impression of what policy should be, for the purpose of enriching yourself. That is part of being WP:NOTHERE. Since nothing in your request changes that, I would decline your request for an unblock. Dennis Brown - 10:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Jonathanbishop

A tag has been placed on your user page, User:Jonathanbishop, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages; user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for Organizations.

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Jonathanbishop (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribs deleted contribscreation log change block settingsunblockfilter log)


Request reason:

Anyone involved in the original block should not be deciding whether to remove the block. That is a conflict of interest in every professional body I am a member of, but I should not expect anything less from a website that does not follow its own rules and allows its users and adminisators to breach the sysop prerogative they are entitled to. It would seem that the claim Wikipedia is driven by Might is Right] has certainly been the case in how I've been cyber-bullied because I dared question an editor who removed references to me based on false premises that I posted content with an account that I did not! Jonathan Bishop (talk) 15:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Please, see WP:NOTTHEM ant try again. In your new unblock request, try to talk about what you did wrong, and not about other users and how they hate you. By the way, I took a look at your deleted user page and I completely agree with its deletion. It looked like an article referring to yourself in the third person, clearly violating WP:FAKEARTICLE. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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  • I wasn't involved in your block. I was considering a topic ban proposal at WP:AN but that doesn't make me involved, it makes me informed. You might want to read WP:NOTTHEM Dennis Brown - 16:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
In all of my professional bodies anyone involved with the original decision/discussion would not be allowed to have any involvement in an appeal. When decisions on appeal are made it is not normal for those with prior knowledge or experience of the issue to make the decision. You have a conflict of interest because of your past involvement with me --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
The policy you are talking about is WP:INVOLVED. Clearly my actions are the same any other admin would do, at the very least. Dennis Brown - 17:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... I am entitled to fair comment, such as to refer people who visit my article setting out my side of the story on how I was blocked. In terms of my user page it is a CV and the ISBN numbers use Wikipedia's own internal referencing system which I do not profit from. Why the hell don't you just delete any mention, any edit history, absolutely any conceivable reference to me on Wikipedia? --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Is User:Vanjagenije saying that if this was written in the first person it would be fine? --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 18:48, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
No. I was just saying the it was clearly (self-)promotional. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
It contained a biography that I have published on other websites [1]. Are you saying that because I am accomplished in academia and professional I am self-promotional but if I was flipping burgers at McDonalds boasting about the numbers of burgers I flipped each day and customers I managed to bang that would not be self-promotional? Would you be happier if I found badges that say the same but not as wordy? --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
If you managed to read that out of my words, than we have a serious problem in communication. By the way, the page that you linked is tagged with "Copyright © 1988-2016, IGI Global - All Rights Reserved". So, that means the content cannot be copied to Wikipedia per our WP:COPYRIGHT policy (specifically WP:MYTEXT). One more reason for it to be deleted. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I provided them with that bio, I own the copyright to it. You are doing what you are doing on purpose to make life difficult for me. Stop trying to control me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 19:54, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Unblock request - Number 3

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Jonathanbishop (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribs deleted contribscreation log change block settingsunblockfilter log)


Request reason:

I have read WP:NOTTHEM and see it makes reference to WP:AGF. Wikipedia is not suicide and even if I was wrong for reverting one of User:JzG's edits - namely the one on Character theory (media) - my concerns that he was acting maliciously should have been given due consideration as it should be what is best for Wikipedia and not what is best for User:JzG and what is worst for User:Jonathanbishop. When I was told I breached WP:COI I did not make further edits, I went to the Noticeboard, as in my line of work you don't take part in futile argument but go to someone more senior. Blocking me does not stop the fact that User:JzG has adversely affected other users, such as User:VCHunter and User:DigitalDisconnect, who have had their content removed by User:JzG because he thought they were me. Taking into account WP:NOTTHEM is it right these other users are being sanctioned and having their content reverted because of User:JzG's vendetta with me and my decision to raise it with admin via Noticeboards? It turns out that User:JzG has a prior record for disrupting Wikipedia. Should User:Dennis Brown not have realised this and protected me from him? User:JzG probably did what he did knowing what my reaction would be to being subject to WP:Wikihounding by proxy. Admin should have checked that I did not have a previous record for being banned but User:JzG did. There is reference to User:JzG on third party websites with a record for harassing me and I believe this was part of their harassment campaign. --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 19:14, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Decline reason:

WP:NOTTHEM. Really. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 00:10, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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  • Are you sure you read WP:NOTTHEM carefully? In this request, you managed to mention JzG as many as nine times. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:55, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I provided you with evidence that User:JzG was linked with a malicious website but it was removed. I showed concern for other users. What more do you want?! The fact remains that it was his malicous actions that resulted in me being blocked. I am not willing to deviate from that version of the truth. You are asking me to say something I do not believe. You are asking me to lie in order to be unblocked. Is that acceptable behaviour? --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 20:01, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Then you are unlikely to be unblocked. Many people have explained exactly why the material was removed. You are continuously ascribing motives to Jzg that are unfounded. The content was not removed because of *who* posted it, it was removed because it was unreliably sourced/self-published and not suitable for any use to which it was being put - to be more specific, it was promotional spamming as wikipedia uses the terms. That the main source for the material is a website that has in the past attempted to link itself with more prestigious organisations - to the point where they were formally notified to stop - is entirely in line with your (and the other two editors) editing. The fact citations/material was being posted by different editors who were effectively all single purpose promotinal accounts very often indicates they are either the same person, or as closely associated as to make the distinction irrelevant. Where an editor has a pattern of posting inappropriate material, it is *routine* to look at all their contributions to see there are not problems elsewhere. This has been explained to you in plain English now. You can either say 'I understand, I wont make any more baseless attacks, attempt to promote myself or my work' and you *might* be unblocked by an admin. Only in death does duty end (talk) 20:15, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
There you are making false statements again, backing up User:Jzg's allegations that I added content with accounts that I didn't. Why are you expecting me to lie that I am happy with User:Jzg making false and malicious statements about me? I am not willing to admit that I added content without an account other than my own. I am not willing to say I did something I didn't do in order to be unblocked --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Your Talk page is not a venue for continuing the personal attacks that, in part, led to your block. I have therefore revoked your access to this page. See WP:UTRS for appeals.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Jonathanbishop (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribs deleted contribsabuse filter logcreation log change block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #16558 was submitted on Sep 19, 2016 20:47:22. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Jonathanbishop (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribs deleted contribsabuse filter logcreation log change block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #16559 was submitted on Sep 19, 2016 23:11:18. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 23:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

  • At this point I think we need to seriously consider the possibility that User:JonathanBishop is not the actual Jonathan Bishop, but an imposter bent on embarrassing him with all this bizarre, self-destructive behavior. EEng 03:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I think it is likely him. His behaviour here is not out of character with the actual Jonathan Bishop's. I could go into more detail but it would be edging around BLP issues. You can take a look yourself if you follow the rabbit hole from the COIN investigation. There is a WP:NOTTHERAPY issue which would explain a lot of the behaviour and makes it less bizarre in context. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Legal Threat - Block extended.

JzG has sent me a letter sent to him, seemingly by Jonathan Bishop. I have reviewed and it seems authentic. Unquestionably, it is a legal threat and attempt to chill discussion. Until posted here again with an update, it should be assumed he can not be unblocked due to this ongoing legal threat. I'm adding this to his block, but doing so here rather than to the block log, so that I can explain more fully. All other issues aside, the block should not be lifted while this legal threat is outstanding. Dennis Brown - 20:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)