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March 2014[edit]

Hello, Kg252500, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your edit to Beta Theta Pi does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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Information icon Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Beta Theta Pi. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Additionally, if you are affiliated with Beta Theta Pi in some way, please be cautious of editing with a conflict of interest, and discuss edits at the article's talk page (Talk:Beta Theta Pi). Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 01:22, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Beta Theta Pi, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Beta Theta Pi[edit]

Hello again. Thanks for starting a discussion at a talk page rather then edit warring. There are several problems with your edits to Beta Theta Pi, but first, since you have told me that you work for the fraternity, I strongly recommend you read about editing with a conflict of interest. Since you are directly associated with the frat, the best option is to propose any future edits to the article's talk page: Talk:Beta Theta Pi.

None of your additions included reliable sources (WP:RS). Wikipedia works on a policy of WP:VERIFIABILITY. Not every single point absolutely needs a source, but anything that's remotely contestable or debatable does. What's worse, you have deleted sourced material. You may not like that Wikipedia is reflecting controversial aspects of Beta's history, but that's not a valid reason to remove it. You may find this article helpful: Help:Referencing for beginners, but do not remove cited material just because it reflects poorly on your frat. If you feel this material is unfair, discuss at the article's talk page.

Some of your edits appeared to have copy/pasted material from Beta's website. The info on the leadership training conferences, for example. This is a WP:COPYVIO and is absolutely forbidden. I'm glad you removed some of the more egregious ad-speak from them, but it's far too little. Don't add copyrighted material to Wikipedia!

With the exception of the hazing section, most sources the article has are mostly what's called WP:PRIMARY sources, meaning they are sources that are affiliated with Beta in some way. This is ok for filling in uncontroversial details, but primary sources are very poor for determining due weight (WP:DUE). Many of your additions were only of interest in a promotional sense. As one example, the excessive amount of detail on the leadership training programs were undue weight. Saying a conference was "award winning" without explaining what the award was is pretty silly. When looking for sources, try to focus on secondary sources, such as newspapers, magazines, and books that are not published by Beta. Websites are fine, too, of course, but be wary of self published sources. This should help give an indication what should and should not be included in the article.

Several of your edits included the "At nine o'clock on the evening..." quote. The quote may be ritually significant to your fraternity, but it's not very useful for an encyclopedia. Even setting that aside, direct quotations NEED to give clear attribution to avoid being a copyvio. I'm guessing that it's old enough for the copyright to have expired, but since you gave no indication who said it or where it came from, there's no way to verify that. Similarly, adding "of ever honored memory" after the names of the founders may have ritual significance for your group, but expecting Wikipedia to honor that is, frankly, absurd. Wikipedia doesn't use euphemisms. Articles are supposed to say "died" not "passed away" and they aren't supposed to use RIP either.

Finally, to sign you name, simply type four tildes (~) and Wikipedia will automatically sign you name and add a time-stamp.

Thanks, Grayfell (talk) 20:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

January 2015[edit]

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  • President Mitchell Cox was invited to appear on Dr. Phil to talk about the chapter's efforts. <ref>{{cite news|last=Connolly|first=Caroline|title=Fraternity at U of U recognized for efforts to stop

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Beta Theta Pi again[edit]

Once again, as a WP:COI editor, propose any edits on the article's talk page Talk: Beta Theta Pi rather than make them directly. Proposed edits should avoid WP:WEASEL words, such as "was credited for" or "was praised for" which fail to mention what the changes are, or who is saying they are successful. "Creating positive change" is also a WP:PEACOCK phrase, which should be avoided. These sources you were using were misrepresented, as well, and it's clear you are attempting to make the fraternity look better disproportionate to the weight of the sources.

Both of the recent sources you added specifically mentioned that the positive change was in response to long-term behavioral problems, like gunfire in a chapter house,[1] and declining membership numbers. Mentioning the positive without giving that background is deceptive. Cherry-picking to promote your organization is not acceptable, and it certainly doesn't reflect a great deal of principle. Again, please discuss any future edits to the article on the article's talk page. Grayfell (talk) 00:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)