User talk:Llywrch/Archive5

de:Wikipedia:WikiProjekt Äthiopien

Moin. You are doing very much to the Ethiopiaarticle. I opend a Projekt on the german side month ago. Maby it is usefull to you, because I saw that you are able to read german a bit. My written englisch is not so good, so I just keep on contributing images to the en Wikipedia. And I try to translate as much as I can to improve the german Äthiopien. Keep on working. greetings from Hannover. Andro96 17:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC) (sorry)

By the way: Just look at de:Tsehai (Flugzeug), maybe you know a little more than I found out... -- Andro96 17:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Recent Changes Camp in Portland

FYI RecentChangesCamp Tedernst | talk 22:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to duplicate. I was just going down the list of category: oregon wikipedians. I didn't think to cross-check it with people already signed up. And don't worry about not knowing what's going to happen. No one does! I look forward to meeting you in person. peace, Tedernst | talk 16:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

2006 Seattle meetup (Bumm13)

Hi,

I sent you a reply e-mail on Thursday (Jan. 12) regarding directions, address, and contact number; it looks like the message bounced and couldn't be delivered (probably your ISP blocks Yahoo mail messages or something). However, I did send the same reply later through Wikipedia's e-mail user function, but I'm not sure how fast it gets sent out. Just letting you know what's up. :) Bumm13 18:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

More good articles

Hi Llywrch, I've been working on Kingdom of Jerusalem a lot lately and I think it's definitely up to "good" status (and perhaps FAC-worthy, I don't know). I also remembered Taticius, an article which I am particularly fond of, although I'm not sure it meets the requirements. Adam Bishop 03:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

By the way, another good one, thanks to User:Bigdaddy1204, is Manuel I Comnenus. Adam Bishop 05:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the moral support, re African language names. I am grateful, but I'm also going to leave things open a little longer, in the hope of getting more opinions in before I wade in. Sorry to have been such a pain over this issue :-) JackyR 02:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history: Coordinator elections

The Military history WikiProject is currently holding elections for project coordinators. Any member of the project may nominate themselves and all are encouraged to vote here. The elections will run until February 5.

--Loopy ^e 04:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Geronimo Jackson AfD

I'm particularly surprised that you, as an administrator, would be promoting inclusion of a hoax on Wikipedia. This is clearly material not appropriate here, as it fails the twin policies of No Original Research and Verifiability. Such silliness is for fan sites, not WP. —LeFlyman 17:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

You write:

1. I don't understand how this is a case of no original research. NOR applies when facts are used to provide an unusually new or original conclusion from facts, verified or not. The only issue is whether these facts exist, & we'd be deleting a large number of articles if that were to become a criteria for deletion.

It's clearly a case of Original Research, as it creates a "primary source" where none existed before ("Original research that creates primary sources is not allowed") -- there is no verifiable information or sources provided in the article (except that the album appeared in an episode of LOST.) I'd suggest you review the "Original Research" policy which states,

"It is an obligation of Wikipedia to its readers that the information they read here be reliable and reputable, and so we rely only on credible or reputable published sources"

2. As for whether Verifiability applies, whatever happened to assume good faith? I would think that we would look pretty silly if this article is deleted & someone looks beyond Google (say to printed sources) & finds ample proof of this band's existence. Regardless of this, what is the harm of leaving this article alone for a while until proof of a search in off-line sources is done?

I'm confused as to why you can't believe this is a hoax. The originator of the article had his only previous entry (Christopher Thomasson) deleted as a vanity hoax article earlier today. Why would you imagine that this material is authentic? The harm in leaving up hoaxes is that it reduces the reputation of WP, and provides ammunition for those who want to contend that this isn't an encyclopedia, but a fan site of dubious quality.

3. Being an Admin is no special thing, according to Jimbo: that is why I emphasized my tenure on Wikipedia, not whether or not I was an Admin

Being an Admin may be claimed to be "no special thing" but it behooves admins to be familiar with and respectful of the tenants and policies of Wikipedia, beyond the scope of regular editors. As Spiderman said, "With great power comes great responsibility." :) —LeFlyman 22:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your response. If/when "Geronimo Jackson" does become important to LOST then it can be added back on, with verifiable info; but speculating on whether it will become important at some future point is not really an issue that should concern this AfD. —LeFlyman 00:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | ^Θ 04:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Radhanites

Thanks a lot! I wasn't prepared for the onslaught of vandals with too much time on their hands, though.... Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

A few articles you may be interested in helping with

• Rib-Hadda
• Biryawaza
• Mutbaal
• Maryannu

recent changes camp

Was great to meet you at RecentChangesCamp. peace, Tedernst | talk 07:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Egyptian chronology

Hi, thanks for the invite! I know I'd really enjoy returning to this intriguing topic after many years, but I'd need to study up since the whole point is to be really on top of all the primary sources as well as how various textbook authors etc. state the chronology (not very consistently, no surprise!). Learning it all again in detail would of course be the fun part, but realistically I can't take the time for this in the forseeable future. Sigh... ---CH 08:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

re Bouvet_Island

Thanks for the head's up; yes, that was purely speculative material. I've removed it as Original Research. —Leflyman^Talk 09:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I would classify it as Original Research, as it posits a speculative theory that has never been published elsewhere. As the nutshell policy for "No Original Research" states, "Articles may not contain any unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas.." I'll eventually get around to archiving my Talk page. It's not really a problem as it gets limited use. The 40k limit is really only an issue for articles, and only if editing the entire page at once; which is doubtful that most people would do on a user_talk. :) -Leflyman^Talk 02:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Multiple exclamation marks!!! [sic]

It's a happy moment for Wikipedia, but multiple exclamation marks are generally unprofessional and look bad. -.-; One exclamation mark on the announcements template is good enough, thanks.  :) x42bn6 Talk 02:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I made a mistake (I've done it before...), diffs show the recent edits on the right. Sorry.  :( x42bn6 Talk 03:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ethiopia-Related Articles

Thanks for your compliments. You certainly do much to help Ethiopia-related articles yourself (you're the one with the award ;) ). So long as you put the information you removed from Lake Hayq to the appropriate articles, I have no qualms against your edits. I do believe that the information provided by the nameless user should be preserved, though. Yom 00:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I have the same intentions with regards to Kingdom of Aksum and History of Ethiopia. There's an abudance of information (especially for the latter) that should be incorporated into the articles. Another article that needs work (that is, needs to be created) is Zemene Mesafint. In fact, there should probably be an article for each identifiable period. Prehistory, Punt(?), D'mt, Aksum, Zagwe Dynasty, Solomonid dynasty (up to 1527), Medeival Ethiopia (i.e. Ahmed Gragn - Zemene Mesafint), Zemene Mesafint, and finally Modern Ethiopia (Tewodros - present). It's going to take some work, but it's definitely doable, and with enough effort put toward it (with enough knowledgeable users, I'm sure Codex Sinaiticus and Gyrofrog could help) it could be done relatively soon (though in a rudimentary form).

As to the 1994 census, I don't actually have the census myself; I've been relying on the compilation of data by others (though many present some data in raw form, they don't include the page numbers). I've heard that the U.S. government keeps copies in them in Washington (where I will be for one more day) for relatively cheap (the CSA sells each data set for $32, meaning not the whole census, but rather each subsection, making a complete census quite expensive). While I'm not sure as to whether I can acquire it, I'll certainly try.

Yom 10:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

A million other internet sites

I know. I have an alternative means of communication now, but the principle remains the same, as Led Zeppelin might have said. ElectricRay 10:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Bretwalda

I've responded to your comment on Bretwalda. Harthacanute 21:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

User:KocjoBot

This User:KocjoBot is removing a lot of Interwikilinks, for what reason, I don`t know. I think he must be blocked. See [1] -- Andro96 19:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I know its a bot, but the Interwikilinks he is removing are valid, most of them as far as I can see. Thanks for your time! -- Andro96 19:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

CSA of Ethiopia

The link to the statistics gathered by the CSA in the Somali Region article lead to a nonexistent page. Is this just due to a typo, an error in their system, or what?

Yom 22:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

WIkiproject Oregon

Wikiproject Oregon is now up and running! I invite you to join at WP:WPOR PDXblazers 22:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I was about to change Neskowin back from an "unincorporated community" to a "census-designated place" but I saw you were the one who made the change originally. I'm not sure the CDP designation makes a place any less of a place, and I'm all for an organized approach to these categories. What do you think? You can see some discussion about this on this talk page. If you can direct me to other discussions about the categorization of cities, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Katr67 21:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

George Atherton GA

Thanks for the comments. Thanks to you, I just realized that I failed to properly identify one of the references (the second reference is actually a chapter of an out-of-print book, the entirety of which is currently online [2]), so I'll address that. For your second point, are you looking for inline citations? With only one substantial reference (the online book), I figured that it was unnecessary to use inline citations, especially since there aren't any page numbers in the document and I don't have a hard copy of the book. As for your third point; you're right, most of the article is on his work at the university. I'll see if I can find another source, but I sort of doubt that anyone has written a biography on him. Anyway, thanks again. —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 00:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications; I really appreciate your help. —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 02:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

To save space, I've removed this contribution, which can be viewed here. -- llywrch

Military History newsletter

You're welcome...it's particularly disturbing that they are using Esperanza as a model, since Esperanza is a creepy stalker organization. Adam Bishop 05:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Dej. Balcha Aba Nefso

He was one of Emperor Menelik's generals who was instrumental in the victory at Adwa. I can assure you he's Oromo and not Gurage (for one, Balcha is an Oromo name). He did actually rule over the Sidama region, though. I'm actually going to upload a higher quality version of the same picture today.

Yom 20:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying he's the most remarkable Oromo, but generally you have to go back 100+ years so that all copywright problems with pictures are solved. I pointed out his name only because the trend is for all ethnic groups to have Amhara names or religious names, so when it's a non-religious name in a language that is not Amharic (or Tigrinya, since names don't really vary between the two groups), it's usually a good indicator of the person's ethnic group. If you have a better picture of a famous Oromo that is not copywright, then by all means add it.

Yom 21:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Ultraviolet map

Thanks for the head's up. I do think that mention of the map is appropriate in The DHARMA Initiative article but not to the extent of a separate article. As I stated in the AfD, I see it (so far) as purely fan nose-tweaking by the writers; the map has had no impact on series itself. --Leflyman^Talk 01:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• I would be cautious about directing Wikipedia readers to a speculative fan site such as Lostpedia, even one based on a wiki-system (and even though I have an account there!) As an encyclopedia, my feeling is, that Wikipedia should be aiming to provide sources and links of verifiable publications-- which Lostpedia is not. So far, the policy on the main Lost (TV series) article has been not to have any "unofficial" (AKA fan) sites listed, to avoid playing favorites. There are just so many Lost fans, with so many good sites that a list of them could get very long indeed.—Leflyman^Talk 03:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
• Thanks for the prompt reply. While I'm not in favour of having such sites linked for the main article, the matter of whether/which fansites to list there would be up to the consensus of regular editors for LOST. However, I wouldn't be opposed to such a link on a "lesser" article such as The DHARMA Initiative (and in fact, have left a fan site listed there). —Leflyman^Talk 03:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• As a belated update to this discussion-- I am now of the opinion that redirecting potential editors to Wiki-based fan sites such as Lostpedia and the Lost Wikia may be a good idea, to relieve some of the fan-cruft that some editors keep inserting into WP articles. Thank you for the initial suggestion. —Leflyman^Talk 18:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Gospel of Judas

See my comments on Gospel of Judas Talk. I agree with you, that the claim the Vatican has a copy of the Gospel of Judas is completely silly, however the quote is part of the public record and worthy of inclusion despite it's unlikeness. When the owner of "the only copy of the Gospel" makes the claim that they do not believe it is the only copy, the comment itself becomes worthy of mention. We shouldn't censor this ridiculous claim because we don't agree with it. In including it, I did try to provide the counter argument, that it is unlikely the Vatican would keep a copy having already clearly rejected it.

LinuxDude 16:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Lechaeum

Battle of Lechaeum is now a Good Article! Congratulations! There is, however, a good comment at Talk:battle of Lechaeum. --Celestianpower ^háblame 22:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

You definitely get credit for nominating it and getting it a lot of editorial attention--I normally work on lightly frequented articles, so I appreciate the chance to do some slightly more collaborative work. Thanks! Robth^Talk 15:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

ITN Cheney

I do, constantly. Never saw a mention of this. How it is international news, I'll never know, and there was no updated article. You call it arcane - we call it rules. You may try to put it on Current events if it's not already there, but unless you can point out a substantial update to an article, it ain't going on ITN. ITN is not a tabloid. --Golbez 05:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Current events has a far lower threshhold for addition than ITN. ITN has the 4 or 5 newest, biggest stories and is on the front page; Current events is basically a log of everything notable that happened that day. ITN requires an updated Wikipedia article; all Current events requires is a news webpage citation. You don't need to nominate anything to be on CE, you just add it. If someone removed it from CE, that has nothing to do with ITN or the Candidates page. As for removing it from the Candidates page, I've no clue, that shouldn't have happened. --Golbez 05:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Hi Llywrch, I am not pro or against Bush or Cheney, I don't care much about US administration, I am not even US citizen. And I deleted your post not because you violated some rules of Wikipedia. I deleted it because this news is simply not worth mentioning. I hope you understand what I mean. Just imagine reading "the news" about throwing eggs at some politician in Canada or Europe, or some politician in UK getting drunk, or something of this sort.(Igny 21:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC))

Re. User:87.116.171.209 3RR

Thanks for your prompt reply. Just wondering if you had any suggestion on how to proceed re. the List of legendary kings of Britain article?

I mean, don't want to 3RR myself; don't think blocking the article would be any good (wouldn't help to get the problem with the article getting sorted either).

And of course, I'd like to avoid the idea that anon IP's from Belgrade can dictate over wikipedia's consensus-seeking practices...

Read your AN/I posting: good description, thanks. --Francis Schonken 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Tx again, just to keep you informed:

• 8H block was applied by someone else [3] [4];
• Removed tag restored by someone else on List of legendary kings of Britain [5]

This is maybe not completely how you intended it to proceed, but I understand what your intended approach was to get "communication going" with user. Let's see what happens next.

--Francis Schonken 21:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Your comment on The Game deletion review

It isn't clear what you are refering to or asking about in your comment in the deletion review. What were you trying to say? JoshuaZ 00:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

No, he's the first person to wonder what you meant by it and be bothered to contact you about it. Kernow 13:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

With regards to your comments on User talk:Kernow: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." Please keep this in mind while editing. Thanks, Ashibaka tock 23:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

What comment on this page are you talking about? Ashibaka tock 23:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I think he is saying that you put in the effort that nobody else was bothered enough to take. Ashibaka tock 00:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Um... I think we're saying the same thing. I don't think it's a personal attack either way. Ashibaka tock 00:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I only just noticed llywrch's comment, and the resulting discussion. To clarify, llywrch said that JoshuaZ was the first person to wonder what he meant by his comment. I was simply pointing out this was not necessarily the case, there may have been people that wondered what it meant before JoshuaZ, but JoshuaZ was the first person to contact llywrch about it. I got the impression that llywrch was trying to say that his "Huh?" was not meaningless, because no one else had contacted him about its meaning.

In response to llywrch's comment on my talk page:

If complaining about what I choose to discuss on Wikipedia is, in your judgement, the most important thing to do at Wikipedia, then by all means keep at it! Waste all the time you want beating that dead horse! With you out of our way, the rest of us will find it that much easier to improve the content of the 1.1 million articles. Good luck -- Kernow 18:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Kernow, the tone of your recent post to my Talk page does not seem to confirm what you wrote above. - Which post? Kernow 00:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

My conversation with you is over, Kernow. Good bye. -- llywrch 04:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II

The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lokshin 18:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

You are invited to participate in Saints WikiProject, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about saints. We are currently discussing prospects for the project. Your input would be greatly appreciated!

I also invite you to join the discussion on prayers and infoboxes here: Prayers_are_NPOV.

Thanks! --evrik 17:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Spelling

A minor issue, but what about "Misraq" vs. "Misrak?" Misrak is more common, but the letter is "q" (well, the letter is cognate with Latin "q," and is pronounced like an ejective "k") in Amharic (and other Ethiosemitic languages). Also, Misraq means "east" (s-r-q or sh-r-q is the semitic root), while Mirab (actually it's more properly Mi'irab or Me'erab, pronounced məʔərab in Amharic and məʕərab in Tigrinya) means "west." How do you think these two should be spelled? I'm not sure about how common the spellings for "west" are.

Yom 00:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Humayun

Thank you for the input on Humayun. I will fix the references as soon as I can, I'm going to try brak up the opener.. maybe that will clear it up.. hopefully. --Irishpunktom\^talk 11:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Valenzetti

Hi,

Yes, I saw your note on the talk page; and I agree-- it's a "hoax" article. There's no such individual as "Valenzetti" within Lost the TV show. As you righty point out in the AfD, the article may have been written to support the "Lost Experience" or it may be have been created to support a faux-site: http://valenzettifoundation.org/

Upon review, that site is clearly a fan's attempt to have a piece of the action, as noted by the disclaimer the bottom "(This site is not affiliated with ABC, ABC, ABC or ABC)". Thus it's either a made-up article to support a fake Web site, or a fiction to support a marketing campaign, neither of which is appropriate to Wikipedia, no matter how amusing. There's nothing verifiable in the article. It needs to be speedy-deleted, as it makes Wikipedia look like a place anyone can post up fake info to support their site/project.

Note that "http://www.garytroup.com" -- registered Nov 1, the same day Hyperion announced publication [6] -- redirects to the "valenzettifoundation.org" web site, registered March 31. The actual promotional site for the fictional author and book Bad Twin is "http://GaryTroup.net" or "http://GaryTroupBooks.com", both of which were registered February 24. It's obviously a case of a fan grabbing a domain before the marketing folks for ABC or Hyperion could register it. Amusingly, "valenzettifoundation.com" was registered April 3 and goes to a parked page, suggesting yet another person registered that domain. —Leflyman^Talk 19:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Hatshepsut FA

If Hatshepsut is ever to become an FA it is going to have to be rewritten from the ground up. Perhaps this is my fault in working so slowly towards that goal, but so much information has been added and removed from the article that it is difficult to to keep track of what needs to be done. I would like to propose that I write a new version from scratch on a temp page, and then that yourself and others review and expand it and then that we replace the current version. When that is complete I would like to invite the Egyptologist Joyce Tyldesley to review it before we nominate it as a FAC, maybe sometime in July or August. The more I look at it the less I like it. No article is, of course, unsalvagable but at this point it would be easier to start over, for logisitics such as inserting references and keeping track of what info is or isn't in the article, as it is rather large. At this point when I get into the article to make edits I find new deletions or insertions of POV, I just throw my hands up and leave without saving. Do you think you would be willing and able to help in this venture? -JCarriker 11:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over race of Ancient Egyptians

This has nothing to do with Ethiopia or our earlier discussion (which I apologize for not responding to yet - I'm swamped in work right now and probably will be until the end of this week at least), but there's a ton of edit-warring going on at Controversy over race of Ancient Egyptians. You're a moderator: could you please protect it?

Yom 02:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I knew the appropriateness of a ban then, too, but I just wanted to get the edit-war stopped first. By the way, it's not over. Cquest is back in the form of his IP. Maybe also Dennv, too (not sure whose IP that is).

Yom 03:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

So, whenever will Cquest have been barred from Controversy..? He keeps reverting after THREE people already, inserting personal value judgments, and deleting sources. This behavior is unacceptable, yet it has persisted for over a day now. I'll be waiting. Dennv.

I suggest you take a good look at what has been happening on Controversy.. and suggest a way of dealing with Cquest. His disagreement is not just with me. Dennv

CSA

All of the links are broken when I click on them. Can you fix this? Also, you seemed to have mixed up a statistic. Both Sidama Zone and Gedeo Zone say they represent 63% of SNNPR coffee output & 28% of Ethiopia. I suspect you only meant Sidama Zone.

Also, what's with the referrence to the Argobba in Pawe special woreda?

Yom 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello from the Mediation Committee

Dear Mediators Emeriti: I'm writing to all former/inactive mediators (now called "Mediators Emeriti" to emphasize the ability of any mediator to return at will to active participation on the Committee), to encourage each of you to share your wisdom and experience on the Committee by commenting on requests by new individuals to join the Committee. There are five current requests to join the Mediation Committee: Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Master_of_Puppets Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Wisden17 Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Journalist Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#Cadr Wikipedia:Mediation_Committee#.5Edemon The current Committee respects and appreciates the time you spent on the Committee, and the insight you can provide, and encourages you to take part in these discussions. Additionally, any mediator emeritus who has the time and would like to return to active mediation would be welcomed with great enthusiasm. Yours respectfully, Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC) (I recognize that many of you left the Committee to go on to other responsibilities, particularly Arbitration and the Board, but we still welcome your input on new committee members and encourage your participation. Please don't feel guilty if you cannot participate; we just want to remind everyone that they are welcome to do so.)

Vacation

Have a good vacation. I'll be out of school soon, so I'll try to make up for the lack of your edits on Ethiopia (but I very much doubt I can). ;)

Yom 03:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! I'm in the middle of creating a WikiProject Ethiopia (it's here), and I'm sure you'll be interested (I was inspired by the Encyclopaedia Aethiopica - you really should buy/borrow it; it opens up thousands of new articles to be created!).

ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 18:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - May 2006

The May 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. —ERcheck @ 00:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Let me be the first..

..book worm to welcome you back to our solomn hall of knowledge from your brief excursion into the world of hedonism and debauchery in the sun. <winks> Welcome back. -JCarriker 10:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:User intercal

Template:User intercal has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.

As the original creator, I thought you might like to know. tjstrf 06:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

GDRT

Check it out. The Atsbi Dera thing is a little weird (I think the name of 2 regions in which Addi Galamo is situated). Where did you get Eritrea from, btw? I don't see it in Aksum. What really got me confused, though, were the page numbers. I'm getting mine from here, which may not be accurate due to a lack of some pictures. Could you verify the page #s? My 68 seems to be your 75, and my 65 (& 66?) your 72, for instance. ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 09:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, note that Wikipedia:Wikiproject Ethiopia has gone live now. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 04:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Carausius

I see you were a major contributor to it. I've split off the event (into Carausian Revolt) and the man (left at Carausius). Could you help me and User:Panairjdde with references for both articles? (See also User talk:Neddyseagoon#Carausian Revolt) Many thanks. Neddyseagoon 17:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Chalons

Fine then,I'll change it back.But I don't know what your answer is so you edit it. User:Dark-hooded smoker —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark-hooded smoker (talk • contribs) 08:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Question

Hmm, that's a good question. I would eventually, but I'm not sure if I've participated enough in counter-vandalism and on VfD and the like. Maybe you should ask again later in a month? ;) ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 06:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out GDRT now! I'm really proud of this map, it took a while finding all the place names, empire locations (technically Timna was abandoned by now, but I haven't figured out a better city to put, since the ancient names of the other cities aren't known). :D If you have a way to make it a little sharper, it would be much appreciated.

ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 00:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of peer review, maybe it can get GA status, but I'm afraid the dearth of information on the subject might make that impossible. I'm working on Axum coinage right now, which is much better documented and I think I can even get it up to FA status eventually. It's just images that will be hard to come by. Speaking of Axum Coinage, most of my citations are from Aksum (online version), so if you could check those against the book once you get it and have the time, it would be well appreciated. Also, for Kaleb, here is the same image with the kingdom layers turned off and the city names in black (I deleted Timna entirely because it's just rubbles at this point). The newer image I made (i.e. w/ Kingdoms), fixes some of the coordinate inaccuracies from the earlier one (www.fallingrain.com isn't always accurate). I've already put it on the Kaleb one, and I imagine there's no use for the older one (i.e. for any article) anymore.

ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 05:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

On the same issue (i.e. Aksum), do you think you could check my articles and copy-edit my work? I'm really bad at checking my own work except for code errors or ones that are blatantly obvious. To be specific, could you check out Axum coinage? Don't worry too much about contributing to Aksum-related articles for now, btw. I'm planning on expanding all of them and creating maps and finding images when I can, but you could definitely help me a lot with copy-editing. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 04:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, I welcome it. That's the whole reason why I posted on your talk page, to ask you to continue and clean up wherever I've made mistakes. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 05:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Military history worklist

I doubt anyone will see this, since we've completely converted to the new assessment scheme; that page is only around for archival purposes ;-) Kirill Lokshin 23:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there is a nice boldface note at the top of that page that points it out ;-)

The new worklist is automatically generated; its operation is explained in more exhaustive detail here. (The actual list is here.) Kirill Lokshin 02:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that the 1.0 group is aware of it, given that they're the ones that came up with the automated worklist idea in the first place. We're one of the few major projects that have converted to it so far; I think they were planning to do another round of contacts with the others suggesting that they do the same.

We are, incidentally, discussing the role of the GA rating in the scheme at this very moment; any input on the subject would be quite welcome! Kirill Lokshin 03:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikibook Ancient History

Thanks for the note on my talk page, Llywrch. I have not left the projcet all together. I'm just seeking a more pleasant and rewarding enivronment than en.wp. I'm working on wikibooks, I would like your help working on the Ancient history text book. Work on it is really just begining, and their are only two people activiely working on it. Your help would be appreciated and frankly is needed. It will be very difficult for two people to right, byt themsevles in a timely manner. Please at least come give it a look. Thanks. -JCarriker 10:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I saw an anon added Ethiopia to the civ list list there. Come on get a wikibook account and help out. You know you want to. -JCarriker 06:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I am

...still in Portland that is, and I have plans to be both hungry and thristy next week. Tell me more, tell me more. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a lot of fun. I don't think I have anything else going on that evening. Do you think I could bring a friend? -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Saint John Maron

Hey Llywrch! I don't know if you know anything about this, but I seem to remember that you have more expertise in this period than I do...on the John Maron article, it says he came from the "Frankish royal family that governed Antioch." I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean for a 7th century figure. Do you have any idea, or do you know who might? Thanks! Adam Bishop 04:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Heh, yeah, I knew that about the Ferengi :) Thanks for the link, that's pretty cool...I think I'll just remove the Franks reference from the Maron page entirely. Adam Bishop 03:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Solomonid & Wikiproject Ethiopia

Check out the talk page for Solomonid dynasty. I really think Solomonic dynasty is a better name for it. Sorry I haven't created the list of central articles, I never got around to it. I'm a little disappointed in how little activity there's been for the WikiProject, to be honest. Maybe if we could get Codex to actively participate. Anyway, I'm rambling, now, so I'll stop talking. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 06:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey. You might want to check out the new subsections I made for the wikiproject to better focus contributions. I think it'll help get contribution more coordinated. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 21:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I almost forgot about this. Can you address my questions regarding the name again? I would move it unilaterally since it seems so clear-cut (Solomonic is a little more used, but also it is more correct in meaning), but I'm prevented by the existence of the Solomonic redirect (and I want your opinion and am curious as to your naming of the page). — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 21:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

rrring!

It's just me, and if I'm not too late, I would still like to hitch a ride. I've left a message on your telephone. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia US, et al

Hiya Llywrch,

There's currently some renewed discussion about whether and how to set up [a] US wikimedia chapter[s]. Among other things this could help better organize meetups, gatherings at large events and cons, and local outreach. I'm notifying people who expressed interest on meta but don't seem to be on the mailing list... list | meta-page. Both could use activity and ideas. +sj + 17:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Near East warfare taskforce

I see you’re a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt. Might you be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Ancient Near East warfare task force, which will include wars of Ancient Egypt such as Battle of Megiddo? See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Ancient Near East taskforce? Neddyseagoon 15:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

OSCON / BOF plans

Hi Llwrych! I don't have any plans to attend OSCON. I'll be out on a family vacation during that week. It would have been very interesting to attend a Portland Wikipedian BOF, though. I sincerely appreciate the invitation. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 18:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey! I wasn't planning on attending OSCON and looking at it I don't know if it'd work for me. I'm meeting up with a friend in Colorado in late July. Although I don't know exactly what the plan is, so if it turns out I'm free I'll message you back. Either way, I very much appreciate the offer. Sarge Baldy 22:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Also thanks for offer, but unfortunately, as you suspected, I'm back in Arizona for the summer already. I'm here until late August. It's too bad I missed the last Seattle meetup, so I hope there will be another one in Portland (or at least Seattle) sometime this coming school year. :-) Dmcdevit·t 18:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

A possible Wikimeetup in Portland

Hi Joe -- While I see by your schedule you'll be tied down for the rest of the year, I hope you can make some time available in the first week of November: Jimbo will be in Portland about then, & I've verified that he is very interested in a Wikimeetup then. -- llywrch 19:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. If I'm around, I'll certainly attend. My current contract is for a team partly in Seattle and partly in Bucharest, but in either case I have weekends. So far, it's been about 85% Seattle for me, so the odds are pretty good that I can make it to Portland, assuming the meetup is on a weekend. Heck, I might even take a day off if it isn't. - Jmabel | Talk 20:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced comment

(Just noticed on my Userpage: I'm moving it here in chronological order)

Llywrch,the Huns won the battle of Chalons.The Roman lost and the huns and Ostrogoths won.O,and I don't really like you llywrch because the result that you wrote on the battle of chalons makes absolutely no sense at all.i have no idea what that is......

.P.S. When people who doesn't have a wikipedia account who reads about the battle of chalons,they wont like you,sorry for insulting you man...... (unsigned comments left by Dark-hooded smoker on 06:31, 20 June 2006)

clannish inheritance pattern

Hi. I have edited the description and features about the clannish inheritance pattern known in Frankish tribal world as Salic patrimony. Now I am well aware that similar or almost similar concept of inheritance and succession has been regular in almost all other clannish societies. You seem to know much about a non-Germanic clannish society, i mean Ethiopia (others?). Therefore I ask you to browse your knowledge/ sources and to dig what concept(s) are used of the resembling thing in societies you are knowledgeable about. I mean (1) partitioning pattern (2) male-line circle of eligible heirs (3) succession concept when something, like chieftainship or kingship, was not possible to partition (4) concept or concepts which describe the understanding of the nature of the "patrimony", and the lands in question, and their possible inalienability. Please respond. Suedois 20:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Eritrea

Hey, can you help me out over at Eritrea? There's a user (User talk:Cluckbang) there that refuses to accept my sourced information about the Sabaean migration being minimal and after the foundation of D`mt. Thanks. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 19:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania

Hello there! We met ages ago at the last Seattle meetup. I was the girl who came up from California :) I remember a vague rumor that you were thinking of coming to Wikimania... I'm reminding folks about the conference [7] and to register soon, before prices go up [8]. We have a fabulous program planned and it should be fun times. Hope to see you there! Brassratgirl 19:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Harbai

Hey, can you tell me your source for the dating of Harbai/Harbay (the latter is a better transliteration since they are no diphthongs and about just as popular)? Also, what was your source for the dating of all of the Zagwe monarchs? Encyclopaedia Aethiopica gives the late 12th c. for when he flourished, while you gave him a late 13th c. date. The E.A. says he came to power after Yemrehanna Kristos and was followed by his brother Lalibela. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 04:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. Apparently you have him at Kedus Harbe (which should be Qeddus or Qiddus, actually). My mistake. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 04:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Unless Harbai existed as a separate person, then yes they are the same. It's not because of transliteration, though. The king is known as both "Harbay" and "Harbé" or "Qiddus Harbé." (Saint/Holy Harbé). Do you think this Harbay/Harbé is the same as your Harbai?

EA has an article only on the 12th c. one, as the brother of Lalibela and successor of Yemrehanna Krestos. Taddesse Tamrat doesn't provide any Fidel (I think his whole book is devoid of it), but he only notes one Harbé, brother to Lalibela and King before Lalibela takes the throne. Btw, Mairari seems kind of close to "Märara," another Zagwe king whom Taddesse Tamrat identifies with Mära Täklä Haymanot. Could this be another ghost article? — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 06:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out Rulers and heads of state of Ethiopia. There's an IP that means well, but he keeps adding dates for the Zagwe (as well as an odd note about the Knights Templar restoring Lalibela). — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 21:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Knights Templar thing is apparently a myth that was propagated in the past regarding the origin of the Lalibela churches but is false on its face. I don't know why, but I've been getting involved in more edit conflicts recently. Check out the /History section at WikiProject Ethiopia, btw. There's a conflict that I want to resolve and I'd appreciate comment from others. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 23:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully. That's a good way of looking at it, though. Unfortunately, I might not contribute or be able to discuss much for a few days (like the last few days) due to internet problems, though. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 20:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue IV - June 2006

The June 2006 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Kirill Lokshin 05:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Controversy over race of Ancient Egyptians

Can you help me out over there? There's an anon IP that keeps reinserting images that are irrelevant to particular sections and posting at the 3RR Admin's board last night only got him an 8 hour block, but he's still reverting again, less than 24 hours since the first revert. Do you think you could block him for a short while and semi-protect the page for me? — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 20:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Gambela Region merging

I was the one who proposed the merge, and I replied to your post at Talk:Gambela Region. Gyre 03:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I see you've begun to put CSA data for every city alphabetically. Good luck! If you have a bot, then I won't bother, but if you need help, feel free to ask me. Just send me the file that you've already prepared with the information and I'll start working backward from Ziway or whichever is last. Feel free to comment on the Geo subsection of WikiProject Ethiopia or my talk page to let us know where you are and where others can help! — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 20:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I won't delete your comment because I agree with you wholeheartedly and you captured my feelings pretty well. As soon I as I saw the comment I was cracking up in laughter but tried not to show it in the post so as not to discourage him from further amusing me, but it seems he's been given an indefinite ban now. I saw the comment on my lunch break home from work and cracked a smile every time I thought about how stupid his attempt was. To be honest, I really haven't stopped laughing! — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 20:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Amda Seyon I

Hey! I've been working on Amda Seyon I for some time now and I was wondering if you could help me out with it. I still have a good deal of info to add, but massive copy-edits are probably in order. Some help finding suitable images would be good, too (I have yet to find an image of the king himself, contemporary or later, though I have found some images of ruins attributed to him (unfortunately they are in black and white and somewhat marred by the presence of a person relatively prominent in the photograph). I'm hoping to get it up to Featured status eventually. After that (or maybe before), it's Axum coinage (to be renamed, actually) and then Zara Yaqob. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 06:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The archive thing was just a problem in the link. Archive 3 was linking to Archive 3. Thanks for pointing that out.

• Regarding the footnotes, I was intending to use the two types for the finished look, with the "Notes" section to be solely for notes on the information (sort of explaining something that would interrupt the flow of the prose or "further information"), while the Citations section would solely be citations to specific pages in a source. I got the idea from the Pericles article. Do you think we shouldn't use it?
• I'll have to go back and fix the transliterations. Enderta and Interta is the more difficult one, since Taddesse Tamrat consistently uses Interta (claiming it as the correct form), while Encyclopaedia Aethiopica uses Endarta (Leslau translit, Inderta otherwise; also claiming it as the correct form saying "Entarta" [Interta] and "Andarta" [Anderta] are variants).
• Regarding the map, good idea on the colors. I'm hoping to make a map with some actual borders with different colors to represent Muslim provinces and the like. Perhaps the final version can actually be an animated Gif, if we can find someone who knows how to do that sort of thing!
• I basically copied the spellings of Taddesse Tamrat. I can fix them to the standardized spellings. Speaking of which, some of our articles use mixed transliterations inbetween Leslau and others. Begémdir, for instance is at Begemder, while the Leslau transliteration is Bagemder (second e technically being a ə), so we might have to discuss some of the names. Also, Kaffa gets 3x (30k) more hits than Kefa (+ Ethiopia), but the transliteration is off. Whether we spell the first vowel with an a depends on whether or not we're using Leslau's system, but "f" isn't actually geminated, so we may want to reconsider its name.

Thanks for all your copy-edits, but I noticed that they were mainly minor. I'm not joking when I say I want my work to be viciously copy-edited! — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 19:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I won't blame you for not knowing how to go about transliteration. I wouldn't have the first clue as to transliterating Devanagari, for instance. I do think that a lot of the articles with many transliterations where one isn't clearly standard (like Begémdir, but not like Gondar or Addis Ababa; not sure about Axum vs. Aksum) should be moved to the transliteration system that we've devised. Discussion has kind of stalled, however, as it's neared completion. I'll try to revive it. Can you comment on my note system now, by the way? I presume you're not at work anymore. ;) — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 05:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I looked through the discussion at WP:Footnotes (not really addressed at MOS), but people seem to still be divided on the issue. I'll start a discussion tomorrow to see what people have to say, though. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 06:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a note, but you may want to put up Onesimos Nesib at Did you know?. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 16:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Panairjdde

Hi, llywrch. I left some comments for you on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Best regards.--151.47.126.70 20:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC) (Panairjdde)

Blanking

As regards your edits [9], [10], and [11]: Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. 151.44.89.48 09:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Last answer

My last answer on this matter. I am closing Panairjdde account, and leaving all this matter.

And my alleged mistreatment of you justifies your use of three sockpuppets in the last few hours to circumvent this block?

Yes. Because I did everything I could to settle this matter with "consensus", and finally got blocked by someone who did not even understand the matter (as your following questions show). And my point was not "circumvening the block" (I would have not signed my edits, in that case), but to state that I was prepared to any consequences on this matter, because I feel it is of the most extreme importance.

To repeat myself Panairjdde, why did you originally want to delete all use of "AD" in an article?

Because they were redundant. I do not know if you are aware of this, but there is a diatribe about the use of AD/CE in articles. The only point people agree upon is to keep the first format used in the article. The problem with this policy is that a lot of people, including Codex Sinaiticus, add AD or CE even where not necessary, so that future editors will be not allowed to use the opposite era format. To show you this point, take a look at Montanism or Paul of Tarsus history, and you will see that CS added a lot of AD in those articles, I removed all of them (they are all redundant, and add no clarity to the text), and in the end CS accepted to keep just one. Why just one, if he added them for clarity? Of course CS needed them to set a standard for those articles, so he needs only one of them.

My edits (I have been doing this for a long time, and not only about AD: see [12]) were to remove the redundancy that cluttered those article, only because some users needed to push their POV - "disrupting WP to prove their point".

And when people thwarted these efforts, why did you start inserting "AD" into articles as much as possible?

Because, despite my efforts, nobody really cares about the matter. The final policy was "do what you please, and hope nobody complains". Since CS was allowed to do what he pleases (if you forbide me to change his edits, you are approving them), I also did what CS pleases, and add AD wherever I felt like. What I did not take into account is that there are a lot of admins eager more to block than to improve WP, or, at least, that it is far easyer to block that to take time, understand that there is a problem in the way WP rules are today and fix it.

Does a little redundancy truly offend you this much? I honestly can't imagine why these letters mean so much to you, so so there has to be more to this issue than what you are writing. If you don't want to tell me -- well, there it is. But to risk so much over such a silly matter?

I wrote this "much more" in Talk:Montanism and in the discussion about my proposal for MOS. I hope, at last, you understand it.

And all of this (it hurts a bit to close an account you used for four years, you know?) is not about ADs, but about a problem WP suffers: that it takes a stubborn editor like CS and other edittors' indifference to lower WP quality. If this "sacrifice" is enough to solve this problem, I shall be happy. Otherwise it will be useless, as Thích Quảng Đức selfimmolation.

There is no way I can understand this as adult or mature behavior.

Yes, I noticed. But this does not mean it is not.

If you stop creating sockpuppets, & just spend the 24 hours away from Wikipedia & your computer, the block will be over. And if you do that, I'll offer you a deal: prove to me that I misjudged you. Do these things: for the next 3 days do not make any "AD"-related edits -- don't worry, the articles will still be there after that many days; during this time, make substantial improvements to 15 articles in Wikipedia: Cleanup. If you want to shame me & show how you've been wronged, improve twice as many articles -- or three times as many. Do that, & I will genuinely apologize for mistreating you & misunderstanding you.

I want the problem to be (1) recognized and (2) solved. Your "effort" to settle the matter shows you are not the right person.

I did not sin, so I do not need to repent and do penance.

But in any case, make this block into a wikivacation; the world consists of a lot more than Wikipedia. The way you are behaving, you are going to end up causing yourself even more grief & frustration, & you may be blocked for good from Wikipedia.

I want to bring this to the end. Since I found you as my referent, it looks like I was unlucky, and my "selfimmolation" (si parva licet componere cum magna) was useless.

Other Admins are reading this & forming opinions.

Thanks. I shall consider your final menace as a sort of farewell from WP as-it-is-now.

--151.44.36.230 10:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC) (Panairjdde, now self-exiled forever)