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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello Lovkal,
- Backlog status
After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.
- Coordination
- MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.
- Open letter to the WMF
- The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.
- TIP - Reviewing by subject
- Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.
- New reviewers
- The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.
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NPP message
Hi Lovkal,
- Invitation
For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations opening soon
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Board of Trustees election
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Correction to previous election announcement
Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I (Hog Farm) didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon
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I have sent you a note about a page you started
Hello, Lovkal. Thank you for creating Helsingkrona Nation. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Thanks for the article!
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 12:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Article review
Hey Lovkal,
Earlier today I started a stub on Political manipulation of Wikipedia, which you reviewed. I've now renamed and expanded it with both forked and original content; if you have time, could you re-review it? François Robere (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- How about you stop trying to POVFORK existing articles? Volunteer Marek 19:11, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Stop harassing me, Marek. François Robere (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also, stop trying to WP:CANVASS ([1]) Volunteer Marek 20:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Stop harassing me, Marek. François Robere (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
The new version of the article has now been restored under WP:SPINOFF by the original reverter, so the issue should be resolved. I understand you might not want to touch it, so I'm taking it to WP:WPWP/ASSESS instead. Have a nice weekend. François Robere (talk) 08:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Early end of the backlog drive
A few days ago, new page patrollers got the backlog to zero. Due to the unprecedented success of the backlog drive, it will be ending early—at the end of 24 October, or in approximately two hours.
Barnstars will be awarded as soon as the coords can tally the results. Streak awards will be allocated based on the first three weeks of the drive, with the last three days being counted as part of week three.
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello Lovkal,
Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
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Backlog:
Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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NPP Backlog Drive Awards
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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello Lovkal,
- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
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Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
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New pages patrol needs your help!
Hello Lovkal,
The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.
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New pages patrol newsletter
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Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!
October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.
PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.
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November Articles for creation backlog drive
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello Lovkal,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
2023 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.
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Reversion mistake
I'm the IP user who removed the "Development" section of Aconcagua (video game). Sorry if I wasn't clear on my edit summary, but I removed it because the information was completely wrong. If you take the time to check the references on the section, the first statement (that IGN alleged that Aconcagua was an attempt to break into the Argentinian market -- which is wild for a Japan-only game) is taken from an obvious joke that is even followed with a "seriously, though", and the second statement (that it was timed for release in the wake of the PS2 launch in order to boost PS1 sales (?)) is a blatant misreading of a speculating conclusion in the referenced article, that says that a possible American release (which never happened) >could< be timed with the PS2's release due to a possible PS1 game sales revitalization.
Now that I've explained it in detail without the constraints of the tiny edit description box, I'm taking down that spurious section again.187.0.175.178 (talk) 14:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hiya! Got it, thank you for taking the time to explain! :) ~ lovkal (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award
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May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Streak award
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Revert of Edit Exposing Bias
Hi, why do you insist on defending sexism on Wikipedia when you revert my edit exposing it and then claim my edit was vandalism? What’s the deal? 73.31.121.225 (talk) 22:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hiya! Because you are clearly not editing in good faith. Wikipedia is not the place for "exposing". I suggest adding meaningful content in a neutral tone backed up by reliable sources if you genuinely wish to contribute. Otherwise there is Twitter. Let me know if you have further questions or concerns. ~ lovkal (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Re: The Arkiv Digital draft article
Hi! I saw that you declined the submission of the Draft:Arkiv Digital article saying it was lacking reliable sources. That surprised me, since most of the sources are annual reports. These are generally considered reliable sources for several reasons: they are regulated by several laws and the operations and finances of the company are reviewed by an external certified auditor. I've commented on that more extensively on the Talk page of the article. Houtos (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! Sorry for being unclear. The concern isn't as much about the reliability of the provided sources, but rather that they are self-published. Supposing that the annual reports are drafted in such a way that makes them reliable in the sense of them containing objective input and so on, they're still self-published by the company itself. Self-pubilshed sources are useless in proving a subject's notability, which is just as important as reliability on the English Wikipedia. Without this requirement, Wikipedia would become a soapbox for companies promoting themselves really quickly. In a nutshell: what the article needs is reliable, third-party news media references that describe the article subject in a non-promotional manner. Hope this helps! ~ lovkal (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's an untenable stance here. As you say yourself, the reliability of these annual reports are not the concern. The Wikipedia policy is a general one that needs to be applied per case; it's not a broad, sweeping assertion or generalization that covers an entire group, situation, or concept without considering individual variations or nuances. The way you put it, wouldn't that be what's called a blanket statement (no offence meant)?
- You refer to Wikipedia's policy about self-published works, which says: "Anyone can create a personal web page, self-publish a book, or claim to be an expert. That is why self-published material such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), content farms, Internet forum postings, and social media postings are largely not acceptable as sources."
- However, an annual report is far, far cry from anything like that, for the very reason that it's a *crime* for a company to present the wrong figures or say that they've done things they haven't and vice versa. And all of this - the company's finances, operations and management, all of it - has been reviewed by an external auditor, who also would commit a crime by not giving a correct representation of the situation. That's the reason why finance journalists, share holders, authorities use quarterly reports and annual reports as serious sources. Financial papers like Dagens Industri use them all the time as sources. The auditor's statement is included in the Arkiv Digital annual report for each year, and I've archived them and linked to them, so it's easy to check that's the case.
- The Wikipedia policy on the use of self-published sources says, under the heading "Acceptable use of self-published works": "The author is an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications, except for exceptional claims." That's the case with Håkan Skogsjö, whose book on genealogical research and Arkiv Digital is referred to in the article. He is just that: a well-known publisher and genealogical expert who has received multiple awards in Finland and Sweden for his works. Professor Michael Lundholm has reviewed this book. (I've already mentioned that on the Talk page of the Draft:Arkiv Digital article.)
- And apart from that, there *is* an independent reviewer of Arkiv Digital's databases, which I've also mentioned: David A. Fryxell for the Family Tree Magazine, the biggest North American genealogy magazine, and the author of a book on genealogical research in Scandinavia. (He's not affiliated with Arkiv Digital.)
- Arkiv Digital is a company whose whole work consists of creating digital databases of historical sources and name indexes to such sources and uploading it all on the internet. It's a digital library, continuously updated. Who reviews an entire library? Several US libraries have Arkiv Digital subscriptions, which they mention on their websites, with information fetched directly from Arkiv Digital's website. There would be no point in referring to them referring back to Arkiv Digital.
- As for notability: Researchers and genealogists refer to sources in Arkiv Digital's databases all the time. The genealogical forum Rötters Anbytarforum, an immense online genealogy forum since 1997, contains thousands and thousands of references to these databases. I've already mentioned Svensk Genealogisk Tidskrift on the Talk page of the article, a journal with academic standards which accepts the Swedish National Archives' image IDs and Arkiv Digital's unique image IDs as parts of valid source references, which is a big deal, really. (But not so for Ancestry.com or My Heritage.) Houtos (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)