User talk:Manoguru

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A barnstar for you![edit]

BoNM - Nepal Hires.png The Nepal Barnstar of National Merit
Thanks to all your contributions to WikiProject Nepal articles, specially those made to Bhimsen Thapa.-- Ascii002 (talk · contribs · guestbook) 09:16, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
This is a bit unexpected. Thank you very much. I thought nobody even reads that article. Manoguru (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Chandra Shumsher JBR[edit]

Greetings Manoguru. Recently, I have edited the article Chandra Shumsher JBR intensively. I bear witness to how you have transformed the Bhimsen Thapa page, and no doubt, you are the best editor I can find to review the article now. I don't know how I should formally send you a peer review request, so please consider it as a request to review the article.Uttamjkl (talk) 12:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

It would be my pleasure to take a look. I am happy that more people share my enthusiasm for history. Manoguru (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much for taking the time to review the article and for the suggestions. The advice you left on my talk page is incredibly helpful, and I assure you that I will try my best to follow them. Once again, thank you and best of luck with editing. Uttamjkl (talk) 08:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Nepal GA[edit]

Currently, the article Nepal is involved in a GA nomination. While I am not the nominator, given the breadth of the article, I am assisting. I request your assistance to as I see that you are a primary contributor to the article. Lets make this article a Good one! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi QatarStarsLeague, I am quite aware of the GA nomination of that article. And I am puzzled that anyone in right mind could even want to nominate that article as it stands now. How might I be of help to you? Manoguru (talk) 18:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it is in poor shape. I am not sure why the nominator chose to enter into the GA process in its current state. I figure that the nominator might motivate a collective of some editors to rework the article, and bring it to GA status. "What better time than now?" is my thought on the matter. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the user page of the young man who nominated the article, he seems like a wiki novice. Sure, you can count me in, if I can be of any help. Manoguru (talk) 18:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

Hello Manoguru,
I have noticed that you often edit without an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks! 220 of Borg 15:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I will try to keep that in mind. I am just wondering if any of my recent edit annoyed someone. I normally leave edit summaries on articles that are actively edited by many other editors. But on pages where I am the sole active editor, I don't bother. Anyway, thanks for the reminder. Manoguru (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Please summarize your edits. It helps other editors know what you are doing. Thank you. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I know. But please grow up, and stop reverting my edits solely for this reason. It is bordering on harassment. If you have problem with the content, then please discuss in the talk page. If you have problem with the citation, then put up a citation required tag. If you are just cursorily monitoring the article using one of the monitoring gadgets, and don't bother reading the actual edits, then I cannot help you. If you cannot create content, then stop punishing other who do. An article is not your personal fiefdom. Manoguru (talk) 22:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bhimsen Thapa[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Bhimsen Thapa you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Royroydeb -- Royroydeb (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your troubles, good sir! Manoguru (talk) 07:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bhimsen Thapa[edit]

The article Bhimsen Thapa you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Bhimsen Thapa for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Royroydeb -- Royroydeb (talk) 08:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Bhimsen Thapa article[edit]

I happened upon the article Bhimsen Thapa, the rating, the review, your deserved barnstar, that you need to create a section for on your user page because I think you are deserving of more, and am just making inquiries.
I noticed you took a "step back" and certainly understand that, but with your diligence, perseverance, and a little more work, I have taken the position that you (if soon to be re-interested) could certainly achieve FA status for this article.
I have been an editor for a good while, gave only one review (it didn't pass, was an interesting voyage, but gave me a virtual lifelong headache), maybe a couple of barnstars, and have an "All things Wikipedia" interest in learning new things. You have taken a name out of history and through hard work I feel made a fantastic article. I do hope you can find a spark to ignite the fire, and return to this article.
I am quite sure this is the first time I have ever made such a "request" but I feel it is necessary as well as important. To me FA status is a milestone of achievement in itself and would be like stopping a race at the finish line, when the clear leader and winner, when lacking only a few more steps to win. I suppose it is a good thing Wikipedia has a "pause" button. I could go on but fear too much praise might either bore you or give you the "big head". I just figured you might find an interest in hitting the "play button" and see if you can take the few more steps and win. Have a great day, Otr500 (talk) 18:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words. I thought nobody really read that article, even though I think the person is very interesting. To be frank, I had to pause because real life took over. I worked on that article when I took a very long holiday back to my home country. Now that I'm not there, I don't have any of my references to continue that work, except maybe for a few ones found online. However, I do plan to return to that article sometime in the future and nominate it for FA status. Do you have any specific suggestions for improvement? Manoguru (talk) 17:23, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
I was tied up a few days myself but I will take a closer look at the article in the next few days. Otr500 (talk) 10:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
That would be great!! Thank you very very much!! Manoguru (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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Reflist[edit]

Hi there. Per Template:Reflist#Columns anything with reflist 2, 3, 4 is deprecated. I've been going through and changing them to 20em, which produces the same result as reflist|4; reflist|30em, which does 3 columns; and reflist|35em for 2 columns. --Jennica / talk 21:35, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah!! Thanks for the explanation. I thought it was just an aesthetic choice. Manoguru (talk) 19:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Request[edit]

Dear Manoguru, I am pleased to see what you have done to Bhimsen Thapa article. You are a great Nepali editor. But the pages of personalities like Kalu Pande, Shivaram Singh Basnyat, Amar Singh Thapa, Abhiman Singh Basnyat, Balbhadra Kunwar, Bamsa Raj Pande are all too poor. Mulkazi Swaroop Singh Karki donot even have a page. Thus, I am requesting you to improve articles on other chief Nepalese historical personalities like Basnyat Mulkazis, Pande Mulkazis and sundry military men who were significant in the Unification of Nepal as well as Anglo and Chinese War. Airkeeper (talk) 05:07, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation. I was mainly interested in Bhimsen Thapa because to understand why Nepal is the way it is today, it is very important to understand what happened during his time. I am not much interested in other personalities you mentioned, although they were important too. Had I still been in Nepal I may have worked on the article on Jung Bahadur. Since I am not, I don't have any of my books and references. If you are interested in history, then I strongly recommend you to read some of the references I have cited. Baburam Acharya's books are widely available, cheap, and very well written. I would recommend the book "Nepal ko Mahabharat" by Gyanmani Nepal too. Also, you should think of getting a user account. Manoguru (talk) 05:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Don't wait for some editor to write an article you want to read. The whole point of Wikipedia is to be able to write the articles you are interested in by yourself.

Thank you for your valuable suggestion. I would respect your choice of subject matter. The reason I requested you was that I'm unaware about which book or articles on Nepalese history contains very reliable information since I read a few and met with huge contrast among them. I will be going through the books suggested by you. Airkeeper (talk) 10:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC) Casually speaking, I can never write with such details and brilliance as yours. Haha!!! Airkeeper (talk) 10:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

If you are serious about wanting to know more about Nepalese history, then you should avoid reading school books, since they are most often propaganda. You should also beware that every historian has their own bias. Nevertheless, I guess Baburam Acharya is the best place to start, since he is a serious historian of excellent calibre. He often produces documentary evidences for his claims. But you should also be cautious, since there are places where he makes an educated guess. In such passages, he uses words like "perhaps" or "maybe", which you should look out for. Apart from him, you should also read a number of later historians, since Baburam Acharya does not get everything right all the time, or new evidences may have come to light. Baburam Acharya is a "nationalist" historian, who engages in grand narratives of "great men". However, there are other methods of historical analysis as well. For instance, Mahesh Chandra Regmi is "economic" historian, in the sense that he looks at economic forces that affects history. In a way, it is the history of people in their everyday activity. I have had the pleasure to read and cite both these men's work. I hope you get the same pleasure doing so. I think the best way to write history articles on Wikipedia is to read a bit, write a bit, and repeat again and again until you can add no more, rather then trying to write the entire finished article in a single go. Manoguru (talk) 18:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Wow such an advice. Nah not school books I don't believe them (pro-Shah books), even hard to believe when some writers like Bhuwan Joshi or Eden Vansittart wrote erroneous. And regarding anthropology, is Dor B. Bista and Surya M. Adhikari reliable writers?? Just to know bcoz you sound knowledgeable person. Airkeeper (talk) 19:06, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't have much knowledge on anthropology. Anthropology is not an exact science, although it aspires to be one. So it should be should be judged by the same standards as any other scientific discipline. It doesn't really matter which author you read. You should always have a healthy dose of scepticism for all of them, no matter how convincing their arguments. Also, you should check 1) if the author provides hard evidence to support their thesis, 2) if the thesis follows from the evidence, 3) if there are any other alternative explanations apart from their thesis. A good scholar considers all these three points. Although they seem like common sense, even the best scholars sometimes make hasty generalisation with little or no evidence. As such, you should read more than one author about a given issue before you can make up your own mind. I think reading just one author is the same as intellectual suicide. Regarding errors, I must say that every scholar makes errors. At best, they are due to insufficient data, at worst it is systemic. So although you may start out by reading older works to get a feel of the subject, you should eventually read more modern ones that corrects for biases and evidences.
If you are really interested in anthropology, then you have no choice but to start from somewhere. Dor B. Bista is a reputed scholar. But just as I suggested with Baburam Acharya, take his writings with a pinch of salt. Here is a review of Dor B. Bista's book "Nepal´s Struggle for Modernization" https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20130318210758/http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/3135-Fatal-Myth--A-critique-of-fatalism-and-development.html You can find so many mistakes he makes. Manoguru (talk) 22:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Can different genealogies cross checked with each other form an evidence themselves?? Paudel, Aryal, Malla and Thapa genealogies connect to Kalu Thapa and xg Airkeeper (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

and scholar like Yogi Narahari Nath and Surya Mani Adhikari have also written about the same man. Airkeeper (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I personally find genealogies the least interesting part of history. Surely you can cross check. If there are inconsistencies, then best to state it explicitly. Manoguru (talk) 19:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

But that proves the existence of a person?? Airkeeper (talk) 01:45, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to bore you. If the two different genealogies matches, would it be a part of evidence?? Since these genealogies doesn't seem to connect to India like the biased genealogies of Rana and Shah dynasty or commoners like Pokharels, Lama Karki or Shripali Basnet. I think those genealogies are very persuasive evidence because of lack of Indian bias which is common in Nepali Hindus. Airkeeper (talk) 02:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are talking about. Why should the existence of a person be based on genealogy? Manoguru (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)