User talk:Maxim/ArbCom and desysops
Dear Maxim,
It may help noting which users were sanctioned for easier comparisons. Overall, great work!
Blessings,
Yaakov W. Yaakov Wa. (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Yaakov, I try to not put the spotlight on any single individual. It's bad enough that someone's been through an arbitration case. For some of these, it's obvious who's who, but I don't think naming names will do anything to show the point that an overwhelming majority of ADMINCOND cases end in desysop. Maxim(talk) 17:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Dear Maxim,
- Agreed. Something that you may have already considered, is perhaps adding note on which admins left wikipedia after being de-adminned (Or their activity levels). This shows an additional aspect to process of deadminning a user.
- Blessings,
- Yaakov W. Yaakov Wa. (talk) 19:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Maxim for doing this. Good work! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Query[edit]
Hello, Maxim,
This page was referred to in the Arb case involving AlisonW and I was surprised not to see mention of BHG because that seemed like a big case at the time it occurred. She might have resigned before the case closed but you mention incidents of that occurring on your list so I was wondering why this case was ommitted. It was just a strange time with RHaworth, Kudpung and BHG all losing admin status over a few months. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) BHG was desysopped in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Portals (I'm sure Maxim remembers, because he and I both voted against it) which is listed in table 2. It wasn't a case named after her, which I guess is why her name isn't mentioned specifically. – Joe (talk) 06:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't have much to add to what Joe already said. :-) In Table 2 I can always be more explicit about who got sanctioned under "Result", although I've always felt squeamish naming names. On the other hand, that's what I end up doing in most other cases, including the 5 June update, so on the next update, I should consider adding names to Table 2 and possibly make the 5 June update a table. Maxim (talk) 12:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Does the desysop of BHG also count?[edit]
Here it is mentioned that BHG was desysopped. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- The section above this discusses this very issue and Maxim answers your question. Can everyone stop please going on about BHG as if she was a bloody circus exhibit? She's sstill highly active on the project even if she is getting stitched up again. SN54129 10:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Uhh, thanks, not a very explanatory header for the discussion above, though. Well she was desysopped in an ArbCom case and others who were not desysopped in an arbcom case are listed. so I figured it might be worth a mention. And to your comparison of BHG with a bloody circus exhibition I am assuming good faith here, but I believe in some cultural environments this can be viewed in a negative way. I think highly of BHG and her contributions to the project and just wish that this case is not forgotten so to show for what reasons Sysops can be desysopped. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 12:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- *facepalm* "A negative way", yes, quite, in the same way as they keep getting hauled like a bloody public exhibition. SN54129 12:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
- Uhh, thanks, not a very explanatory header for the discussion above, though. Well she was desysopped in an ArbCom case and others who were not desysopped in an arbcom case are listed. so I figured it might be worth a mention. And to your comparison of BHG with a bloody circus exhibition I am assuming good faith here, but I believe in some cultural environments this can be viewed in a negative way. I think highly of BHG and her contributions to the project and just wish that this case is not forgotten so to show for what reasons Sysops can be desysopped. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 12:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
List is missing an entry[edit]
@Maxim: It's archived here. The result was a desysop. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The tables only include full cases, not motions (although Dbachmann is mentioned under "Further thoughts, 5 June 2023"). The Mzajac case needs to be added, though—I guess I can do that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'm obviously a bit biased as the initating party hence my reluctance to add anything. My understanding is that the desysop by motion had a lot to do with how they had lost the community's trust but I notice that this is indeed mentioned in further thoughts like you said. I somehow missed that my first read through. I suppose my only other suggestion is that maybe Lourdes be mentioned as a footnote in their sockmaster's case, given the revelation itself was revealed in an ArbCom case request for that account. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The original list started off to answer the question "what happens to administrators who are subject of a case". It was only later that I had considered that desysops by motion are also a thing. I'm not possessive of this essay; if you want to reorganize it to better show those kinds of situations, you're more than welcome to. It may be worth considering moving it to projectspace, as it's ended up being somewhat of a living document. Maxim (talk) 13:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I'm obviously a bit biased as the initating party hence my reluctance to add anything. My understanding is that the desysop by motion had a lot to do with how they had lost the community's trust but I notice that this is indeed mentioned in further thoughts like you said. I somehow missed that my first read through. I suppose my only other suggestion is that maybe Lourdes be mentioned as a footnote in their sockmaster's case, given the revelation itself was revealed in an ArbCom case request for that account. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)