User talk:Msmonkeybean
January 2014
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Hello, I'm John from Idegon. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Cardinal Gibbons High School (Raleigh, North Carolina) seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 02:31, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Recent edits to Grenade (song)
[edit] Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your recent edit to Grenade (song) appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article to establish notability. If you wish to create such an article, please confirm that your subject is notable according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you! DemocraticLuntz (talk) 03:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Adam Buckley (Radio Personality) (January 1)
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Hello! Msmonkeybean,
I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!
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[edit]Hi. I am just letting you know that I have removed your entry to the list of active AfC reviewers. With only 4 edits to mainspace, and the issues that have been mentioned on your talk page, you do not have sufficient experience to review article submissions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. I will be leaving you a few links so you can learn a bit more about wikipedia, but the reason I reverted your edit is really pretty simple. Personal knowledge is not where the information on Wikipedia comes from. We are simply a summary of information that is already published elsewhere. Your content needs to be referenced and it needs to be strictly factual. No opinions. We would never use terms like " far the most prestigious" unless it was a direct quote to an attributed source. We also do not write in a non precise style like "first two days of sales most times". Actually, that is nothing but an opinion and could not be attributed to anything, because you cannot define the word most without knowing the scope, and the reader has no way to know that. If you are talking two things, most is impossible. Three or more it means the majority, but if you were talking fifty events, the meaning is quite different than if you were talking 3 events. We just do not write that way in an encyclopedia. Other than its existence, I do not see anything you can say about the dance program. There are guidelines for what kind of achievements we discuss in school articles (found at WP:SCH/AG). Pretty much we only discuss state or national team (or whole group, not individual) championships. We don't discuss regional or local events, and we don't discuss anything less than winning. We also never use names, teachers or students. Things like appearances in parades and individual events (governor's inauguration, invitational appearance at a highly (like national level) important events, etc.) can be briefly mentioned in a factual style (keep the adjectives to a minimum) only if referenced. I will be glad to help you with any specific questions you may have. You have found my talk page already. Feel free to come back. Happy editing! Oh, the teahouse is a great resource for new editors. We are glad you are here! John from Idegon (talk) 05:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 elcome to Wikipedia Msmonkeybean, from WP:WER
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Again, welcome! John from Idegon (talk) 05:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC) John from Idegon (talk) 05:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Adam Buckley (Radio Personality) (January 1)
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Your recent edits
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[edit]ok, now you have added some content I see. But it will still not pass review. The only referencing you have on it is to YouTube and to Facebook. Neither are considered reliable sources, as they are user edited and not fact checked. The requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia is called notability. We do not include subjects unless there is detailed coverage of the subject in reliable, independent, secondary sources. That's where the term "notability" comes from. Before any subject can have an article on wikipedia, other publications must have "made note" of the subject. I will be denying it yet again. Please read WP:Your First Article and make appropriate adjustments to your article before submitting it again. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page or ask at the teahouse. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC) PS. Biographies have the toughest standards for any type article on Wikipedia, as there is always a potential for a libel suit over a bad one. You may wish to try an article on a non-human subject before you try to write a biography. Also, if a person's fame is strictly online and there has been no coverage in traditional media, you probably will not be able to create an article on them.
Your submission at Articles for creation: Adam Buckley (Radio Personality) (January 1)
[edit]- If you would like to continue working on the submission, you can find it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Adam Buckley (Radio Personality).
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- Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! John from Idegon (talk) 20:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Notability
[edit]Hi Jessica. Notability probably doesn't mean what you think it means in terms of Wikipedia. The real world definition of "notability", which is somewhat equivalent to "fame", is a quite subjective concept. The Wikipedia term notability on the other hand, is a fairly objective concept. Notability in the terms of Wikipedia, has no direct connection to either fame or importance. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is what is known as a tertiary source. That means we only publish things that are already being covered in secondary sources. That is where the term "notability" comes from---someone else has already "made note" of the subject. Notability is simply our standard for inclusion in the encyclopedia. In order to be considered notable, any subject (not just people) have to have detailed coverage in multiple reliably sourced, independent, secondary sources.
The sourcing you showed on the article you are working on all fails one or more of the criteria for sources to be used to show notability. To be reliable, a source must have some system of fact checking in place. This eliminates most blogs and all things that are user-edited like YouTube, Facebook, IMDb, and even Wikipedia itself. Pretty much it is far easier to tell you what are reliable sources than what are not. Reliable sources are pretty much limited to traditional print newspapers and their websites, magazines of general circulation (not trade publications or magazines whose editorial content is provided by its advertisers) and their websites, books published by mainstream publishers (not vanity press published books), TV and radio news and their websites, and trusted academic journals.
Facebook is never a reliable source for anything and that is something you should realize in real-life terms, not just for Wikipedia. A person can put whatever they want on their Facebook page with virtually no repercussions. An example: Although I have less than 100 people as friends on FB, and almost all of them are real-life friends, I still at least once a month get some meme in my feed that is blatantly (and frequently dangerously) false. A prime example is the one about entering your pin number backwards if you are getting robbed at an ATM. Not only is that blatantly false (see this link on Snopes.com), but it is extremely dangerous. If you are getting robbed at gunpoint in a one on one situation, the last thing you want is for the police to show up. Instead of just getting very frightened and losing some money, if the cops come while you are being robbed, you then become a hostage, a situation in which you will undoubtedly end up with blood on your clothes. Best case scenario is it is the robber's blood, but it could just as easily be yours!
The YouTube stuff you showed is just examples of what he has done on YouTube. That does not show his notability any more than listing the books an author has written would show theirs. Just having done something doesn't make a person notable. Reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject have to have talked about what he has done to make him notable. That is the kind of sourcing you will need to show. If that doesn't exist, the subject of your article is not notable.
Your or my subjective opinion of the dude's importance or value or whatever else is not what decides whether he gets an article on Wikipedia. What decides that is the existence of sources that talk about his value or importance. I hope you see the distinction. Good luck with your research. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask either myself or at the teahouse. Happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- I am not online as much as i would like lately, but there are others at AfC that can help. I am sorry you feel that this fella has to have an article, but as I told you above, fame or influence doesn't have anything to do with it. It is all about what is being written about the dude elsewhere. Those are the standards; they are set by the community of Wikipedia editors. If you wish to try and change them, you could start a discussion at the talk page for WP:BIO, but I really don't see that you will get anywhere with it. Good luck! John from Idegon (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Adam Buckley (Radio Personality)
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Hello Msmonkeybean. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Adam Buckley (Radio Personality)".
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 10:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
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Your draft article, Draft:Adam Buckley (Radio Personality)
[edit]Hello, Msmonkeybean. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Adam Buckley".
In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Onel5969 TT me 20:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)