User talk:Oddjob84/Archive 2

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Thanks for the welcome. I have actually been lurking about as a (potential) editor since 2011, but have not had time to devote to it until recently. I will look the help materials over, but please be patient. It will take a while to really become proficient at this. In the meantime, I can use all the help I can get. Oddjob84 (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Alcorn McBride

Hi Oddjob84 - Thanks for the feedback: as a new editor I'm still learning the ropes. Would you be willing to take another look at some additional changes I've made to the Alcorn McBride page and advise if they are appropriate? YvR89

@YvR89: Sure. I will go take a look. A few tips: Go to the edit tab for this entry so you can see the code. The leading colon indents a response, use more than one if needed; the "at" leading your username will ping you when I save, notifying you of a message. Lastly, when you are looking at the "article" page of Alcorn, look along the near top right. Click on the blue star. You will be notified everytime someone changes that page (it goes on your "watchlist", which you can also see from your User page. Oh, and note the three tildes at the bottom? That's what I will enter next, but you will see it as my signature and a time/date stamp. Oddjob84 (talk) 15:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@YvR89: It looks fine. Here's a couple of things to do: At the top of the Alcorn page, under the title are two banners. These are maintenance templates. Click on the link in the lower one, check the rules, then come back and delete both, since you have satisfied them. On the Alcorn talk page, create a new header, and indicate you are working on the page. Oddjob84 (talk) 15:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Oddjob84: This is how you ping someone during a reply: {{reply to|username}}. The @ symbol before and the colon after are supplied automatically. For a straight up ping, {{ping|username}} does the job; {{user|username}} or {{u|username}}does the same thing. No colon is supplied these two. With >reply to< you can specify multiple recipients: {{reply to|user1|user2|etc}} for up to 50 accounts. — Myk Streja ^(who?) 11:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Alyssa Nutter

Check it out. — Myk Streja ^(who?) 11:41, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: I saw it, thanks. I'm currently betting she'll be back, and on an IP again. While I initially assumed she was just clueless, it's beginning to look malicious. BTW, thanks for the info on the ping above. I was wondering why it didn't work. Oddjob84 (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

And oddly enough <snicker>, it didn't work. That's okay, my watchlist failed me on this, too. :( It happens. — Myk Streja ^(who?) 15:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Aha! It's not that the pings didn't work, or my watchlist failed, it's because you can't just edit a message with a ping in it ahd expect it to send a ping. When you tried to 'fix' those messages, it told the bot to not even check. (These aren't the 'droids you're looking for.) You have to delete the message then repost it (cut&paste is a real good idea here). The 'robot' that handles pings takes a look at a message then marks it as having been checked, so it won't come back for a second look. It has to be a new message altogether, even if it is the same exact words. — Myk Streja ^(who?) 17:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: Good information again. Thanks! (“Well, if droids could think, there’d be none of us here, would there?” — Obi-Wan Kenobi) It ought to work this time. Oddjob84 (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

And it did. Good job! ("Don't get cocky, kid!" — Han Solo) — Myk Streja ^(who?) 17:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thought I'd drop you a line based on a recent discussion here regarding Alyssa Nutter. In case you weren't aware, there have been two discussions recently at WP:WikiProject Amusement Parks to discuss appropriate statuses that we should be entering into infoboxes for rides/attractions. The most recent discussion has a link as well to the RfC, where it was decided that Removed was preferred over Closed once an attraction has been demolished or removed from a park. That would explain why some edits you are encountering by this disruptive user are actually legit and should remain in place. If you have any questions about this, or would like to discuss further, feel free to drop me a line or open a new thread at the WikiProject. Thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

IP address

@Myk Streja: In case you missed it, Alyssa's IP is back, same edit. I think a bot got her this time. Oddjob84 (talk) 03:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I see it. I wonder who caught her first. The Alyssa Nutter is still inactive, but the ban has been lifted. We'll need to watch that. I don't understand why—after two bans—she continues to edit in that fashion.  — Myk Streja ^(who?) 05:07, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: I'm beginning to think she's a bot someone has turned loose to make mischief. Same edits as soon as the ban expires? Oddjob84 (talk) 08:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Wakayama Marina City (July 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DrStrauss was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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DrStrauss talk 10:12, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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Talkback

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jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:18, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Draft review

I've reviewed your draft at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#Jcc.27s_re-review.2Fexplanation- I've left it there since I think DrStrauss wanted to centralize discussion. jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:06, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wakayama Marina City

The article was rejected on the grounds of insufficient "notability of organizations and companies". Wakayama Marina City is not an organization or company it is a place. Although it is partially owned by the Wakayama Marina City Company, Ltd., it is also co-owned by Wakayama Prefecture, as made clear in the supplied references. WP:NGEO is the proper application of notability, and Marina City passes. An obvious analog is Kansai International Airport which is held by a private corporation and a public entity. Rokkō Island is much the same as Marina City, in that it is a recreation hub and largely in private hands. Port Island is also much the same, and also opened with an expo. Kobe Airport rounds out the four artificial islands in Osaka Bay which apparently have already passed notability standards.

The reviewer left the following comment: "Please add more major media reviews". This is a fair illustration of WP:Systemic bias as outlined in WP:WORLDVIEW. Of course it is difficult to cite major media reviews in English. The Draft Talk:Wakayama Marina City page, which the reviewer apparently missed, said so. There are more references, but they are in Japanese, and will have to wait for a Japanese-speaking editor to add them. This will never happen if the article is not in mainspace. Furthermore, I have little doubt Marina City was covered in the New York Times, Washington Post and/or the Los Angeles Times but this information is all behind paywalls, and I am not inclined to buy a subscription to prove it.

The article is also notable because it was Universal Studios' first overseas project. It must be noted that Universal's second overseas project is notable enough for inclusion: Universal Studios Japan. However, that had the advantage of NBC/Universal's publicity machine in English. The 23 in-line citations provided in the references in the draft article are by any measure adequate, particularly for a Start-class or Stub-class article. As to the "major media reviews", the supplied references are perfectly acceptable sources within their respective spheres of coverage, and meet the tests of "reliable secondary sources".

Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions state:

If this article were nominated for deletion at WP:AFD, would it be likely to survive?

Yes, it will probably be kept.

Then ACCEPT it now. (You can tag non-deletion-worthy problems.)

I appreciate the fact that the AfC process is badly backlogged, and it is probably more convenient to reject new articles at a glance. However, this does a disservice both to Wikipedia and new contributors, particularly given the five-week turnaround. Oddjob84 (talk) 14:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

File:PortoEuropaProgramInside.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:PortoEuropaProgramInside.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

File:WakayamaExpoProgramInside.jpg listed for discussion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:WakayamaExpoProgramInside.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 14:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Those two images mentioned above

@Oddjob84: I wanted to post to you here before I went to the discussions. Don't take this wrong, but those images are really not appropriate. They are too extravagant and add nothing to the article. The claim that they add to veracity... Well, I don't know, that's a stretch, especially here in the English Wikipedia. Sorry.  — Myk Streja ^(who?) 15:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: In truth, not a problem. If they work, they do, if not, I have plenty of alternatives. Oddjob84 (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad I didn't piss you off. I know it's hard to judge tone from a politely written comment, but I did get the feeling from your reply in FfD that you were ... um ... less than pleased. Just sayin'.  — Myk Streja ^(who?) 17:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: My level of irritation has more to do with the AfC process than the present contretemps. Until an article clears "draft" status, you can't upload images to it. This article was deathly difficult to reference and get past the AfC editors. The two graphics at least prove I didn't make it up. I can probably write and source half a page on Porto Europa, but the image really does anchor the discussion. As to the Expo, it is a nice, interesting sidelight, but in truth, I don't care if it stays or goes. Incidentally, I have asked a Japanese-speaking friend to look for some text and references. Sometime I will have to tell you about getting this article through AfC. Oddjob84 (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

As my all-time favorite cartoon character would say: Good grief! It's bad enough having to defend a page from vandals, friendly fire is too much. At least I warned you that I was going to be firing close on.  — Myk Streja ^(who?) 18:40, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Deletionists

@Myk Streja: I have said my piece back at the deletion discussion, you might have a look. By the way, who are these "deletionists" you want to stamp out? Just sayin'.... Oddjob84 (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Deletionists are editors, usually long-timers and lifers, who don't believe in the Articles for Deletion (AfD) system. They believe, in their superior knowledge of all things wiki, that the best way to deal with a new page that's not up to snuff is to blank the page and then nominate the page for speedy deletion using A3: No Content. Most of them are administrators so they wait about an hour, or maybe less depending on which way their panties are twisted, then they delete the page. This is how they "improve" the page.

Imagine this: you just brought your article to mainspace, you even used the AfC to do it, and you put it out there for all to see and vandalize admire. You go to bed after getting a couple of attaboys, prideful in the knowledge that you've done a good thing. You get up some time later, log in to Wikipedia... and its gone!!! No warnings, no notice, just gone. Now this is the good part: according to policy, this is an accepted method of patrolling the pages!! How can they do that without warning the author you ask? They do, but by the time you see the warning, it's a done deal. Now you have to fight with one of these scum fine editors to get them to undelete. Yep, and pigs do fly, I's seen it. I successfully fought off one of these bozos, oh hell, BOZOS, and with a cadre of more reasonable admins, got him to restore the page. Wasn't even mine, but I couldn't stand the injustice. It later succumbed to a merge-request, but that's fine; at least that's a process, not a whim.

Well, as soon as that article appeared in mainspace, he nominated it for deletion. Seven days later he lost. In retaliation, he first blanked my talkpage, then he replaced it with a talk page from an article he'd speedy-deleted. He claimed it was a mistake. Uh huh. While clearing that up, I got admonished to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. I think I broke my jaw on that one. (Um, I probably should admit that I got a little tetchy with him on his talkpage.) That's when I found out he believed in deleting even on his own talkpage. Later it was admitted by an admin that the bozo "could have handled himself better." Uh huh. He's still out there, doing his thing. Anyone else would have been banned.

My issue is that I believe in the process of AfD which is more like trial by jury. If a jury decides that the page isn't notable, that's fine. I do not believe that a single editor should have the authority to delete by blanking, for most cases. I can admit there are cases where it's needed. Copyvio(lation) is the most obvious, but anything that puts WP at risk of legal action counts. Put a notice on the page, create a discussion on the XfD page, and let chaos reign, I mean democracy. Then some idiot will yell out Wikipedia is not a democracy and the fun starts all over again.

Every now and then, I go hunting for them. They have no more authority on the notability of an article than I do. And the requirements for a speedy deletion are pretty clear. If I catch one of them at it, and the cause is just, I make things difficult for them. By the way, their counterparts are know as Inclusionists. If you follow the links, you will go a little crazy and you might lose faith in Wikipedia. Just remember this: Illegitimi non carborundum.

Bet that was more than you expected.  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 22:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I like learning things, especially about things that go bump in the night.

Misc1

Hey Oddjob! I noticed activity on your Userpage, so I came over to take a look. I see you tried out that image I sent you, but you forgot something. I took portions of your edits to highlight the problem:

First, your original file: id|[[Image:Hazard F no border.svg|45px]]
Second, the new file: id|[[Fire-animation.gif|45px]]

Do you see what's missing? The original file has the prefix Image:
So [[Image:Fire-animation.gif|45px]] gives you this:

P.S. Don't open this message for edit, just highlight the code with the mouse while in read-mode, then right-click copy or CTRL-C, then paste it where you want it.

Or I could do it.  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 06:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

It's done. Thanks.

Userbox Request

This is my attempt to render a UserBox for Alph Psi Omega per your request. Unfortunately I cant use the organizations official logo due to copyright. I believe the colors are accurate. Enjoy.--SamHolt6 (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC) {{}}

@SamHolt6: Sam: thanks so much for doing that, I had completely forgotten I had requested it. Actually, in the meantime, I sort of hacked the userbox and figured out how to do a custom one, which is on my userpage User:Oddjob84. What I didn't do is drop it into the template page for userboxes. Please take a look at mine and see if it is worth combining them. Thanks again. Oddjob84 (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind... I saw how your talk page was bordered out and took a look at the faux userbox that showed up. It was missing an end o table marker at the template end. I fixed the template and your page is fixed. I see from your talk page you created a real userbox to use.  — Myk Streja ^(who?) 05:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: Oh, that's fine, thanks. I got frustrated with the userboxes and hacked them to make my own. I'm still figuring out what everything does. Oddjob84 (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, if you haven't been here yet, go take a peek. It's pretty comprehensive and takes you through the template.

I saw your userbox for pyrotechnician. If you'd like, this might be a better image for you:

Feel free to use it ... or not.

BTW, here's my offering to the society:

ΑΨΩThis user is a member of Alpha Psi Omega, the national theatre honor society.

 — Myk Streja ^(who?) 13:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja:Thanks for working on this, I've been really busy editing Marina City, so haven't got back to it. The improvements you made are what I would have done, but there is one more that was holding me up, and I would have to research it to solve it: the colors are wrong. The society colors are moonlight blue and bastard amber. These are very specific, as they are based on theatrical color filter ("gel") choices (a little "in" slang/joke). Anyway, moonlight blue is a medium true blue (Lee #183). Despite the name, bastard amber is really a pale pink with just a tiny hint of amber (Roscolux #2). And there's more-than-you-wanted-to-know-today.

Campfire

Loki is laughing his ass off!  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 21:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: I noticed that some of my sandbox post didn't make it to the AfC Talk Page (or maybe was deleted) The original is here: redacted. I will have to look into where the end piece went when I have time. By the way, are we talking about Loki the Norse god or Loki the Avenger? Oddjob84 (talk) 12:30, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The original AfC is gone and I'm not sure where they go from there. I can't see what you mean as missing.  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 20:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Loki Odinnson, aka the Trickster, the Changer, my mentor. Meanwhile, I'll take a look at that link. (Odd, I could have sworn I indented this.  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 19:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

So it's the Norse god. One of my favorite mythologies. I guess, then, that the source of your name is Norway, Denmark, or Sweden?

AFAIK, my surname originated in the Caucasus Mountains in ancient Romania which is now part of the Ukraine. I think. The documents got lost over the centuries. Just to keep you confused, the last three generations prior to being born in America were predominately Irish/Scottish/English. Us Romani men liked those redhaired witches. Oddly, the red hair only shows up in the girls; everything about me is dark.  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 11:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

My first guess would have been central Europe, but Scandinavia seemed possible with your taste in Norse gods. Most Americans seem totally unaware of this bit of history, except for comic books and movies. Perhaps we are related, my heritage is half Irish with some English thrown in; the other half is Spanish. If you are interested in tracing your heritage, Ancestry is a wonderful way to waste yet more time online. Oddjob84 (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Nope, got plenty enough to do now. Besides, my sister tried, that's how we know about the lost records. <shrug>  — Myk Streja ^(what?) 18:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: Myk, your talk page seems to have blown up. Oddjob84 (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

A noobie posted a response in my archive pages, and somehow that brought the section back out and placed it on my main talk page. He meant well, but that didn't stop the 14 pings from going out. Fortunately, most of them were to you.  — Myk Streja ^(when?) 20:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if Karma is slapping me aroung for my comments about refactoring. On second thought, it might be Loki. He likes a good joke now and then.  — Myk Streja ^(aack!) 21:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Stuff Hanging Out There

<these items absorbed by to-do list> This is a reminder to myself to get back to these pages and add text and/or references. These are currently "on hold".

• Talk:Blacklight#Blacklight Use in Entertainment
• Jay Stein
• Show control
• Charlie Richmond (inventor)
• Halloween Horror Nights#Scare Zones

Image request

Been a while since I visited, so I thought I'd come here to ask. In your travels, have you ever taken a picture of the interior of a spinning/vortex tunnel? Everything online currently is ©. Go figure. Thanks.  — Myk Streja ^(who,me?) 04:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

@Myk Streja: If I have one, it would be of High Dive. I'm sorting through negatives and slides now, but it is very slow going. I just bought a digitizer, so I am now able to potentially use thousands of images. If I find one, I will let you know. Meantime, have you seen this one? It is well done: http://www.scary-terry.com/vortex/vt.htm . And I like this article as well: http://www.earthween.com/ideas/vortex_tunnel.html . Oddjob84 (talk) 12:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I've been to Scary Terry's site. I like what he did and I'm getting good info. Problem will be sourcing it. It was at that site that I found out that GEP Productions is vigorously defending its branding of the Vortex Tunnel. The Earthween site is problematic. The second site listed on the page set off all kinds of malware alarms for me, both by Google and Firefox. Why Norton's didn't jump in, I can't tell. I'm a little reluctant to try any others.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you that I'm doing most of my editing on Spinning tunnel in my other sandbox. You, of course, are welcome to come by to critique and edit if you wish. Just use the talk page there to keep things separated.  — Myk Streja ^(who,me?) 02:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)