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→ Comment: Thanks. I created this article by mistake and wanted to delete it, but I was not sure how. However, could you please help me to redirect all the links of Misr El-Maqasha to the new article Misr Lel Makasa. -Osa osa 5 (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Misr El-Maqasha

• Hi,I've created an redirect from Misr El-Maqasha to Misr Lel Makasa.Hope this helps.BTW, You can redirect an article yourself by putting #REDIRECT[article_name](*Use two square brackets.) to the page which you wants to be redirected to article_name.Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 07:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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شكرا على المجهود الرائع اللى أنت بتعمله معايا فى صفحة بتروجيت ووليد سليمان أنا هبحث عن المصادر فى صفحة وليد سليمان وبتروجيت وبالنسبة الى موضوع النقاش في مقالة بتروجيت بويكيبديا الانجليزية اللاعبين اللى أنا كاتبهم هم اللاعبين الدوليين الذين لعبوا فى بتروجيت وليس الذين برزوا فى بتروجيت مثل خالد بيبو ومدحت عبد الهادى وسمير كمونة وطارق مصطفى وبالنسبة على سعيد سعد فهو لاعب دولى لعب مع المقاولون العرب فى دورى الدجة الثانية وفاز معهم بالكأس والسوبر المصرى 2004 وأنتقل الى بتروجيت عام 2006

• وبعدين أنت أكنك صاحب الصفحتين أفعل بهم ما شئت وأنا مش هزعل —Preceding unsigned comment added by Momomenofy (talk • contribs) 15:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Religious paragraph

Thanks for your note Osa, and I think it's also very accurate in terms of that paragraph. I was indeed a little unsure how to summarize it and I thought that I did a sufficient job, but wasn't 100% sure I hadn't missed something. Please put back what you prefer or explain to me the situation so that I can paraphrase or condense it better. Ocaasi (talk) 03:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, let's edit it here and see if we can get to a quick draft:

During his weekly sermon Pope Shenouda III asked his followers to be calm for the second day of demonstrations during his weekly sermon. In spite of this, a number of young Christian activists joined the protests led by well-known Christians like member of the Wafd Party Raymond Lakah. Naguib Sawiris, the head of Orascom Telecom said that the appointment of Omar Suleiman as vice president may not satisfy protestors. "I think it is not enough. It’s a good step because the gentleman, Mr. Suleiman has a very good international reputation; he is from the system so he can at least ensure that the current transition to a more democratic regime can happen." Coptic thinker Rafiq Habib condemned the position of the Church but he stressed that the participation of Copts in the demonstrations are increasing day by day. Many of Al-Azhar Imams joined the protesters on 30 January all over the country.

Comments

• I know why I didn't get this summary well--I didn't know what Orsa Telecom really was. In assuming it was a minor religious group, I thought that 'the church' referred to something else, like a more general stance.
• What was Mr Habib condemnding exactly, as it seems the position of the church was pretty mild. That was another source of confusion how the condemnation connected to the previous sentence.
• Ok, on second thought, what does a Telecom have to do with religious institutions at all? It that entire sentence (bolded) just misplaced? Ocaasi (talk) 03:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Reply

I see what is the cause of the confusion.

1. Naguib Sawiris is a Christian business man who owns a telecominication company called "Orascom Telecom". Sawiris' comment (what you have in bold) should be considered secondary to the subject in my opinion. The reason is that he does not represent the church. So his comment would be better placed in Domestic responses to the 2011 Egyptian protests.
2. Regarding Mr Habib: this section used to include the initial statement that was released before Tuesday Jan. 25th. It seem it was deleted before your edit. From the detailed page you would find: "Coptic Orthodox Bishop Marcos of Shubra El-Khiema urged Christians not to join the demonstrations, saying that they do not know the goals of those responsible for launching the protests." So, Habib is condemning the church's call to avoid participation in the scheduled protests.
3. I see three important positions for the Christian Institution worthy of notice in the summarized version: 1- The Coptic Orthodox Bishop statement as presented above 2-Pope Shenouda III call to his followers to be calm (i.e. not to participate in protests, he later more clearly supported Mubarak (a source in Arabic is available if you want it)) 3- Not all Egyptian Christians followed these calls as the likes of the political figure Raymond Lakah went to the streets.

I hope I was able to better clarify this. --Osa osa 5 (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense, chance you could integrate that into the draft? Thanks, Ocaasi (talk) 10:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Draft

The following is what I suggest the paragraph to look like:

Coptic Orthodox Bishop Marcos of Shubra El-Khiema urged Christians not to join the demonstrations, saying that they do not know the goals of those responsible for launching the protests. During his weekly sermon Pope Shenouda III asked his followers to be "calm" on the second day of demonstrations during his weekly sermon. On 31 January, he expressed support for Mubarak in an interview with Egyptian state television. In spite of this, a number of young Christian activists joined the protests led by well-known Christians like member of the Wafd Party Raymond Lakah. Many of Al-Azhar Imams joined the protesters on 30 January all over the country.

re: Talk:2011 Egyptian protests

well, consensus cant wait forever and we do have 2 people instead of just 1. id suggest adding a remonder in the "todo" part and then waiting a day or 2 before being bold.Lihaas (talk) 11:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I responded at Lihaas' talk page about the Background section here. Ocaasi (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back. I saw the background section too and yes, Ocaasi did it. I have stated my opinion on the matter but he thought he should edit it and be bold about it so I didnt want to start any edit war and waited to see if anyone else mind the new layout. I am just going to point what few thing about the alex. bombing to show you why I think it should be included:

1) The fact that no church were attacked during the protests

2) Muslims and christian were protecting each others during their prayers as a sign of unity

3) Salafis and members of the muslim brotherhood (Islamist) were attending the protests and chanted "long live the cross with crescent"

4) The government used to use such event (bombing or massacre) to scare christian into voting for them and the west to clam down about the demands for

democracy or reform.

5) The government involvement in such event (Habib as example)

6) Christians attended the protests without any "Christian only demands" despite the horrible event that occurred earlier

and the list goes on. My only problem in I have no idea where to put it so you can try figure it out. you have my full support. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)