User talk:Protobulgar

August 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, content you added to a Wikipedia article appears to be a minority or fringe viewpoint, and appears to have given undue weight to this minority viewpoint, and has been reverted. To maintain a neutral point of view, an idea that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight in an article about a mainstream idea. Feel free to use the article's talk page to discuss this, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby ? Protobulgar (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Modu Chanyu. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Unless you can provide a reliable source for this change, your continued insistence on this will be viewed as vandalism. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Modu Chanyu, you may be blocked from editing. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 10:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@Visioncurve What do you mean? Every edit I did is right, just search up, please stop editing my edits, because you are giving wrong information... Protobulgar (talk) 10:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Protobulgar, you have consistenly edited to ascribe various people (Modu Chanyu, Cyril and Methodius) and ideas (Glagolitic script) as being Bulgarian with no proper sources to verify such information. If you can't provide reliable sources for such assertions, they will continue to be reverted. Wikipedia is not the place to assert your national pride. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 First of all, you are the one with the wrong edits.

Second of all, research some info.

Third of all, stop lying to people... Protobulgar (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

So, clearly, you think you know a thing (some people or ideas are inherently Bulgarian). But the rest of the world does not know that thing. So, the burden of proof is on you to verify that thing. It is not the job of the rest of the Wikipedia community to research the information that you believe should exist. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Oh ye, maybe you would say the Cyrillic alphabet isn't bulgarian, doesn't matter that it is written everywhere(+ in Wiki), and maybe you would say some other wrong things... Protobulgar (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You specifically edited the article Glagolitic script to change the short description from Oldest known Slavic alphabet to Oldest known Slavic alphabet (bulgarian) despite the fact that the article clearly states that the script was invented to transcribe the local Slavic language of Thessalonica (a language currently referred to as Old Church Slavonic). I don't speak either Bulgarian or Old Church Slavonic, but I do know that they are not the same language. The Cyrillic script does appear to have been developed in the First Bulgarian Empire by students of Cyril and Methodius and derived from the original Glagolitic script. Cyrillic script and Glagolitic script, while related, are not the same thing, and you never edited anywhere to talk about Cyrillic script, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 You are just not understanding, you are giving wrong information, I know way better than u about history... Protobulgar (talk) 12:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 ... Protobulgar (talk) 12:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps you do, but Wikipedia needs more than just "this is what I know". It needs citations to reliable sources to verify the content. So, know what you think you know, but be prepared to prove it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:00, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 I am a able to proof everything, because it is the truth + Actually, stop giving wrong info... Protobulgar (talk) 13:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 I am using real sources, u okay? Protobulgar (talk) 13:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You say you can prove everything, but you have not yet proven anything. You have not provided a single source for any of your edits. Having sources is not sufficient, you need to tell us (by citing those sources) what sources you have. You may want to refer to Help:Citing sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 I can, I just didn't gave links to them, but I am telling the truth, so... Protobulgar (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Apparently, you are just not willing to listen. I will let you know, if you continue to edit as you have, without providing sources, the matter will be brought up with administrators. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Okay, it doesn't matter to me, but the next time, I will show you the truth... Protobulgar (talk) 13:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Hey man, this time, I gave sources, is it enough, or I gotta add more? Protobulgar (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Your sources are not reliable. One of them refers to radiation and a galactic journey. There is no scientific evidence for anything you are claiming. ... discospinster _talk 17:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@Discospinster So I gotta add more? + It is not only for this, go down, + The other link and text... Protobulgar (talk) 17:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You have to add reliable sources. I looked at both of them, and neither of them seem trustworthy. The other text just refers to "some research" in Google and TikTok. ... discospinster _talk 17:26, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@Discospinster Yes, but can't you see the information, I think it is reliable. Protobulgar (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we can see the information, we just don't believe it to be reliable, your thoughts on the matter notwithstanding. Wikipedia has a set of guidelines for assessing whether a source is reliable (see WP:RS), and neither of the sources you've provided meet those criteria. Also "some Google searches and TikTok" isn't going to cut it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 So, I have to add more? Protobulgar (talk) 07:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 And how you are able to believe it, I just have to know, so I can add information, that you think is reliable. + Who confirmed your proof is reliable, just to know. Protobulgar (talk) 07:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Hey, I made correct again, are the sources enough, or I gotta add more again? Protobulgar (talk) 17:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

s* Protobulgar (talk) 17:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Jingiby (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby I didn't had ,,wars", it was just that, the other editors are giving wrong information, but with one of them, I had a conversation, and he said, that if I give sources, there wouldn't be a problem, so I gave sources, look... Protobulgar (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Please, read carefully how to identify reliable sources in history. Links provided by you as sources are simply rubbish. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 17:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby What do you mean, every source is the truth, read them carefully, or I have to add more... Protobulgar (talk) 17:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It is better to familiarize yourself with the rules here carefully and educate yourself on the topic you are interested in, but from reliable sources, before writing about the issue. If you continue to write on such fringe theories, you are likely to get blocked soon. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby I am just sharing true information, please just fucking tell me, HOW THE FUCK YOU RECOGNIZED THAT MY INFO IS WRONG??? Protobulgar (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Jingiby (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby You are just always like ,,you'll be blocked", alright man, answer my question, how do you know, that my info is wrong? Protobulgar (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Because the information in the articles you are trying to change is supported by sources that are much more reliable according to Wikipedia's rules. What you are changing contradicts them, and the sources that support your claims have none of the following qualities: the academicity of the publishing house, the scientific title of the author, being cited in other reliable sources in the English language and recognized by other famous authors, specialists in this field and so on. Please, everything is explained in the links above, I have provided to you. Jingiby (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Alright, so I have to add more proofs... Protobulgar (talk) 18:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

No, not more sources; better sources. Academic journals, not TikTok. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 Only one of the links was from TikTok, the other 5 were sources, that were real... Then, if you don't like how my edits are going, tell me where you think I have to get my info from, because I gave so much information, that was true, but you just don't like it, what I have to do, so you like it, and you can keep my edit? Protobulgar (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Very well, let's examine your sources:

1. МОГЪЩИЯТ български владетел Кан Мотун е бил господар на НАЙ-ГОЛЯМАТА ИМПЕРИЯ в историята! [THE MIGHTY Bulgarian ruler Khan Motun was the master of the BIGGEST EMPIRE in history!]

   This appears to be an anonymous blog post that runs contrary to all of the rest of the history presented in this page.

2. СЛОВО КАН МОТУН [Khan Motun's Word]

   It may be that the Chrome auto-translate feature is not doing justice to this page, but it appears to be an incomprehensible rant about the presence of aliens in pre-historic Finno-Urgic states, with smatterings of Atlantis lore thrown in for good measure.

3. ВЕЛИКИЯ БЪЛГАРСКИ ВЛАДЕТЕЛ КАН МОТУН [THE GREAT BULGARIAN RULER KHAN MOTUN]

   This appears to be an echo of МОГЪЩИЯТ български владетел Кан Мотун е бил господар на НАЙ-ГОЛЯМАТА ИМПЕРИЯ в историята! with much of the same content, and an equally unreliable blog post as well.

4. Българите основават преди 17 000 г. първата държава на земята

   No idea what this is as the author has disabled the Chrome translate feature. Seeing that it is hosted on BlogSpot, though, we can just assume it is not a reliable source.

5. Dulo

   There is no mention of Modu Chanyu or any influence of the Dulo family in China in this Wikipedia page.

6. TikTok video

   Need I comment on this at all? Suffice it to say, what anyone says in a TikTok video cannot be accepted as a reliable source.

In summary, you appear not to have bothered to read Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources and just want to throw any garbage you can at the issue. I have come to believe that you do not wish to actually comply with Wikipedia's guidelines, but instead wish solely to push your own point of view. I will not engage in this discussion further. I will report the matter to the adminstrators should you continue to try to push your fringe theory. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 No, you just read 10 words, not the whole site info, just read it carefully... Protobulgar (talk) 06:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

September 2022

Hello, I'm Jingiby. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Modu Chanyu seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Hello, can I ask what was my mistake? I am actually neutral, I do not like adding fake information, just to ask where is the wrong part? Because Khan Motun had bulgarian roots too... Protobulgar (talk) 18:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Protobulgar, before adding this information again, provide reliable, academic, English language sources, supporting your claims. This was explained you many times, but you didn't provide anything. This is an obvious problem. Jingiby (talk) 19:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Ahhhh, thank you so much, everyone before just told me ,,reliable sources", but no one told me that they have to be in English, that is something new! Protobulgar (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby So they cannot be in Bulgarian? If they are not able to be in Bulgarian, then I'll find in English... Protobulgar (talk) 19:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

This condition is not mandatory. Jingiby (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Okay, so if I add reliable sources, my edit will stay? Protobulgar (talk) 19:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Since so far what you have presented as reliable sources till now has been complete garbage, it is not a bad idea to present them here first for verification, for which I thank you in advance.Jingiby (talk) 19:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Yes, I was just going to ask you, if I can first send them in here, after you agree, I make the edit... Protobulgar (talk) 19:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 08:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Jingiby (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby And are you only texting this to me? Well, you said that if I am right, but still in an ,,edit war", I am still going to be blocked, well, then isn't the other guy making the mistake? I think you are not right in that situation, isn't Wikipedia maden for actual proof? Alright, if it is, I personally think, that you have to block the other guy, and keep my edit, am I wrong? Protobulgar (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby + Just for you to know, he is ethnic Bulgarian, there is no second opinion, John Atanasoff is Bulgarian, don't try stealing him! Protobulgar (talk) 06:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2022

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at John Vincent Atanasoff. Jingiby (talk) 06:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby I did nothing wrong, you are not the neutral one, I just told the truth, you are able to search up, because his ethnicity is Bulgarian + He himself is Bulgarian, while you are trying to steal, but you are not able to, you are giving wrong information, so you should be blocked, not me... Protobulgar (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby So yea, as I told, John Atanasoff is Bulgarian, you are able to search up, maybe you will be blocked soon... Protobulgar (talk) 06:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You have been warned repeatedly on the Bulgarian wikipedia for the same attempts to present Atanasov as an American Bulgarian, which is not true. This thesis was not accepted there either. Try to provide academic sources supporting your claim. Your personal opinion he was of a pure Bulgarian origin is irrelevant here. Evidence is needed. Greetings.Jingiby (talk) 07:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby Well, you are not able to be more without a logic... It is confirmed he is from Bulgarian origin, even in the page it is written his father is Bulgarian + His last name is Bulgarian... You are trying to steal him, but even on the top of every page it is written ,,from Bulgarian origin", the one's that are correcting me, are probably just scared of the editors, but I am not, because I want the truth to be shown!

You will no more steal John Atanasoff, he is from Bulgarian origin! Protobulgar (talk) 08:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.Jingiby (talk) 08:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jingiby What is my personal attack if I am able to ask? I literally just told that you do not have a logic, well that is the truth so... You are giving wrong information, maybe you should be blocked, of the fact that you cannot accept the truth... Protobulgar (talk) 08:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for habitual edit warring.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@ToBeFree Well, the other editors are not able to take the truth, they just cannot accept the facts, literally everything I edited is confirmed, and they can search it up, I do not think they blocked me for a reason, it was just because of that they are mad... Protobulgar (talk) 11:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Mhm. "Confirmed"... by "some research in other google sites and in TikTok". Sure. That said, even if you did provide reliable sources, your persistent edit warring would still be disruptive. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

@ToBeFree No, literal confirmed things, even in the page it is written his father is Bulgarian + His family name is Bulgarian + He is ethnic Bulgarian + He is Bulgarian, you do not have to steal him, so please unblock me, I did nothing wrong, just shared the truth, you can even search up... Protobulgar (talk) 15:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)