User talk:Redsockssss

January 2013

Hello, I'm Gtwfan52. I noticed that you recently removed some content from List of motorcycle manufacturers without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC) ] I deleted a manufacturer that has gone out of business. It was listed incorrectly!!!!!!!!!

Wiki Police.

What is wrong with adding the 4th largest volume motorcycle manufacturer in the USA to American Motorcycle Manufacturers page? And where do you get the power to delete things at will?

Speedy deletion of "Bourget Bike Works"

A page you created, Bourget Bike Works, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how it is important or significant, and thus why it should be included in an encyclopedia. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and the guidelines for companies in particular.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Redsockssss. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article List of motorcycle manufacturers, you may need to consider our guidance on conflicts of interest.

All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

If you are very close to a subject, here are some ways you can reduce the risk of problems:

• Avoid or exercise great caution when editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with.
• Be cautious about deletion discussions. Everyone is welcome to provide information about independent sources in deletion discussions, but avoid advocating for deletion of articles about your competitors.
• Avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).
• Exercise great caution so that you do not accidentally breach Wikipedia's content policies.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. One of the behaviors you must avoid is removal of competitor's names from list articles, such as you did at the above named article Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:33, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Dennis Bratland. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to List of motorcycle manufacturers because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to List of motorcycle manufacturers. While objective prose about beliefs, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at List of motorcycle manufacturers, you may be blocked from editing. Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

You are headed for trouble

Hi. You haven't had the best welcome here at Wikipedia, but you are going about this the wrong way. If your company is the 4th largest motorcycle manufacturer in the US, cite an independent source that says so. Otherwise, please stop doing what you are doing. You will find a list of information new people need to edit Wikipedia added to this page in a few moments. Slow down, have a cup of tea and read a bit. Otherwise, the only thing you can look forward to is being blocked from editing. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Welcome

Hello, Redsockssss, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or or by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC) Getting started Introduction The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page Intuitive guide to Wikipedia Finding your way around Table of contents Department directory Editing articles How to develop an article Simplified Manual of Style Getting help Frequently asked questions Cheatsheet Where to ask a question Help pages New contributors' help page Article Wizard – a Wizard to help you create articles How you can help Contributing to Wikipedia Community Portal Join a WikiProject Follow Wikipedia etiquette Practice civility

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at List of motorcycle manufacturers. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

How to handle editing disputes

If you want to make an article or entry for your company, you MUST have independent sources. The only thing we have here saying that the company you are writing about is significant is your word; Wikipedia does not publish information sourced in a person's knowledge. You have to have sources, period. No one is picking on you; this is just the way things get done here. You wouldn't go join the Elks and expect them to change their rules to accommodate you, would you? Then why are you expecting Wikipedia to do so? If you have sources, bring them to the article's talk page and we will discuss them; if you don't, then stop. The next step will be you get blocked if you continue in the way you are. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

This is your last warning; the next time you harm Wikipedia, as you did at List of motorcycle manufacturers with this edit, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted, preventing anyone from linking to them from all Wikimedia sites as well as potentially being penalized by search engines. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 06:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I have SIMPLY added Bourget Bike Works to "motorcycle Manufacturers" What gives you the right to say they're not and delete MY POST. I wrote 1 time about they're being #4..I get it but I don't get you being such a jerk! Redsockssss (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

You are taking things personally that aren't. In case you didn't realize it, the article you wrote about the company you are trying to add to the list was deleted, because you showed no sources for your information and wrote it like an ad. That is not what Wikipedia is for. Regarding the list of motorcycle manufacturers, only companies that have Wikipedia articles on them are on that list. I did a google search on your company and found 0 sources for it independent of the company. Independent sources are required for an article on Wikipedia, and in turn, an article on Wikipedia is required for inclusion on the list you keep adding the company to. I have written you three times now, trying to help you. Wikipedia is not going to make its rules to accomadate you. You need to modify your efforts and expectations to fit within Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Please quit making this personal. It isn't in any way. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

How about I write them and tell them you're bullying me while I'm trying to provide information by deleting my articles. They are NOT ME..THEY are a motorcycle manufacturer. Like I said close to 1/2 that are listed as manufacturers are out of business. That helps Wiki readers how? And yes, sir it is personal. If you would like me to make it my mission to go over every article you write about edit or even think about and grab you on a technicality, I will...So now leave me alone. Bourget is a manufacturer JERK!Redsockssss (talk) 06:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Again, why do you think you should be able to write in a way that is not within the policies of the organization that is hosting your writings? The reason I believed you were associated with the company is because you used the word "we" when writing about it in the deleted article. If you want to take this personally, that is your business. And if you want to believe I am a jerk, that is also your business. I have been trying to get you to calm down and see the problem you are having rationally. And you may wish to note that I am not the only one that has warned you, or reverted your edits. You are going about this the wrong way. If you have any interest in getting information about the company you are interested in on Wikipedia, I am still willing to help you do it. But the way you are going about it is only going to get you blocked. Sleep on it, and if you would like help, let me know. And let me ask you a rhetorical question. If you make a scene in a bar and they throw you out for it, are they bullying you? No, they are enforcing their rules. That is all I am doing here. I am sorry if it offends you, but that is the way it is. Every interaction you ever have in society is regulated by some sort of rules. Admittedly, Wikipedia's are vast and confusing. But you are still expected to follow them if you want to edit Wikipedia. The only other choice is not to edit Wikipedia. Gtwfan52 (talk) 07:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

Materialscientist (talk) 07:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)