User talk:Ruksakba

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Since you appear to be new to Wikipedia I'd like to offer a couple of suggestions. Please read the edit summaries left by other editors before you revert them. For example you reverted an edit that reinstates an inline url at Induction motor, and that is not allowed. Also, try talking to other editors rather than using templated warnings for minor issues. You will generally get further through cooperation that confrontation. Always assume good faith. Best wishes Flat Out let's discuss it 03:34, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for guidelines given.--Ruksakba (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruksakba (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

It seems that I am blocked just for the reason of shared IP. My editing is mainly on technical issue. Mufaddal Saifuddin is the person I know and got interest to see the history. The matter seems to me one sided as he enjoy huge majority on his side. Correction suggested is only related with various comments based on discussion done on the page itself. Terminology POV/NPOV referred there is not of my own but mentioned there only and explained at related Wikipedia pages. Having shared IP and common mobile network provided on company provided cell phone is common practice in big organisations and I think I have become a scapegoat.

Decline reason:

I'm unconvinced by your explanations and consider the most likely explanation to be that you are a sockpuppet. PhilKnight (talk) 10:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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--Ruksakba (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request: I came to know about this ‘unblock appeal’ procedure when I came across "Help:I have been blocked" notice when I tried to edit today. I request for the system to paste this notice on talk page also whenever anyone is blocked. --Ruksakba (talk) 09:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jalal Shamsuddin

User:FreeRangeFrog, please refer: [1] , Book: Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam and Modernity Among the Daudi Bohras, By Jonah Blank, p.41. quote :“ successor, Jalal ..transfered the seat of the Dawat to India"

Please also look at the justification given for 23rd Dai below. Importance of Dai-al Mutlaq for Dawoodi Bohra sect representing Fatimid is evident.

" *Keep - Passes GNG for being one 23rd Da'i al-Mutlaq. There is a book, The Bohras,[2] having more details about him. Ejuddin is not the only spelling, sometimes his last name is also written as Izzuddin.[3]-[4]-[5] Bladesmulti (talk) 08:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

* How can being a 23rd dai make one notable considering the fact , that this post of dai is only notable now and not back then AFAIU. Also these sources have a passing mention of him which further substantiate that the person was not notable even back then.Summichum (talk) 09:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

* It looks like the word "passing mention" is thrown out like a trash now. 3/4 of these citations contains his biography. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, please update this article with those references and removing any extraneous information, Also the last one is a self published source.Summichum (talk) 09:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That is a primary source, not self published. You really believe that an article must include any citations for proving its notability? Or you have to check before you nominate for deletion. Bladesmulti (talk) 09:47, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

* ok I remove my nomination , thanks for the research.User:Summichum"

Refer:[6], (User talk:Hut 8.5, Please comment here also)

Please review. Dai -al Mutlaq is avery notable position and the person is responsible for shifting dawat to India and propogate it.--Ruksakba (talk) 06:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration of Moulai Abadullah

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moulai Abadullah User:Sandstein, There is remark “That the subject isn't notable enough to warrant an article is clear. What isn't clear is whether a redirect is warranted or not.” Please ref book: [7],Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam and Modernity Among the Daudi Bohras, By Jonah Blank p-37. It is clearly written : ‘ Bohra myth credits Abdullah with planting the lasting root of faith in indian soil.’

He is the person who has brought Fatimid culture in era of Imam Mustansir, a historical figure in Fatimid history. Please look at Jalal Shamsuddin section above, the discussion took place for 23rd dai will make things further clear. Refer: [8] The article on him is very much justified. Please restore the same.--Ruksakba (talk) 06:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fatima Al Sughra

User:Mojo Hand, please refer Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fatima al-Sughra bint al-Husayn and book; , Book: "Motherhood and War: International Perspectives, By: Dana Cooper & Claire Phelan" p.211, Quote: “Fatima Al Sughra, a young daughter of Imam Hussein who was left behind in Medina because she was ill.” . This clearly speaks of importance of this daughter of Imam Hussein. --Ruksakba (talk) 04:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello user:Ruksakba. That book was already referenced in the article, but the consensus in the discussion was there insufficient sourcing to justify a stand alone article.--Mojo Hand (talk) 04:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mojo, the subject is a daughter of Imam Husain a prominent hero of Islam. On the name of this daughter complete Shia dedicated a day of mourning in her name during the day of Ashura. This book clearly refers to that incident mourned every year. You say that it is insufficient sourcing. Is to prove mass followers a single reliable third party source is not enough? Is mass source is required for family of Imam [[[Husain]] mourned by millions? Four daughter of Imam Husain are referred in uncounted no. of articles. Is the detail for this daughter not covered due to lack of mass media awareness in Arab world, make her ineligible? A small third class movie hero get coverage . This story of a historic figure, a sick daughter who was left behind by Husain at home alone, missing her small brother which she loved so much and don’t want to depart is not eligible to share with.--Ruksakba (talk) 05:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Feerkhan Shujauddin

please refer;

Book ; [9],

Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam and Modernity Among the Daudi Bohras, By Jonah Blank, p-44, Quote: ‘Syedna Qutbkhan’s successor , Syedna pirkhan Shujahuddin..”

[10],MUSTA'ALINS

by Mumtaz Ali Tajddin, Encyclopaedia of Ismailism, Ismaili.NET - Heritage F.I.E.L.D. (First Ismaili Electronic Library and Database), Quote : “33. Pir Khan Shujauddin (d. 1065/1655)”

Please ref: [[11]]

Request User talk:Hut 8.5 to add above citations to the article, Please comment on the other similar topics discussed here.--Ruksakba (talk) 06:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kasimkhan Zainuddin

Refer:[12], (User talk:Hut 8.5, Please comment here also).--Ruksakba (talk) 06:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC) Sam, please add following reliable source to the article:[reply]

[13], MUSTA'ALINS

by Mumtaz Ali Tajddin, Encyclopaedia of Ismailism, Ismaili.NET - Heritage F.I.E.L.D. (First Ismaili Electronic Library and Database), Quote : “31. Kassim Zainuddin bin Pir Khan (d. 1054/1644) ..”--Ruksakba (talk) 10:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hebatullah-il-Moayed Fiddeen

Refer:[14], (User talk:Hut 8.5, Please comment here also).--Ruksakba (talk) 06:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC) Sam, please add following reliable source to the article:[reply]

[15], MUSTA'ALINS

by Mumtaz Ali Tajddin, Encyclopaedia of Ismailism, Ismaili.NET - Heritage F.I.E.L.D. (First Ismaili Electronic Library and Database), Quote : “40. Hibtullah Muayid-fid-din (d. 1193/1779)..”--Ruksakba (talk) 10:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are topic banned in Bohra and have used dozens of sockpuppets

Please stop participating in BOhra discussion as you are topic banned , but you seem to evade the bans. I hope you realized from the succession controversy as to how your leader could use the stroke ridden debilitated body of Burhanuddin to stage a farce succession ceremony to fool the public and forging documents too,ignorant public did become fool, but since now the case is in courts , you should not interfere.Summichum (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dear Summichum. Welcome to my talk page. I have studied MD page and now his strong supporter. Your partisan activities got me blocked. Please let me live with my talk page. Are you living in dreams thinking me of got banned?

As such I think that MD has not done any vandalism. After the unfortunate ban he has tried to define Dawoodi Bohra from the time it is named as Dawoodi, but the admin didn't agree and he was termed as evading bans and got blocked.

We are other individuals working in same organisation. We have requested him for support in the name of community within Wikipedia rules. QAZ has done efforts to group us together as his ID extension was known.

We are new but cannot be termed as puppets because of our ideology matches with MD and he has agreed for guiding us as a single group in the name of truth. MD is banned does not mean that he cannot guide other fellow. He is restricting us to do vandalism and guiding the language. The matter and basic thinking is 100% our original and have 100% consent. We should not be punished or humiliated just in the name of puppet till we ourselves do not dishonour Wikipedia rules.

You claimed to be a third person, joined just after demise of late Syedna, single handed campaigning for Qutbuddin, supporting each and every argument in favour of him , putting all the criticism & propaganda material in lead Para of Bohra articles and, deleting all the material (well sourced or not) favouring Mufaddal. Now you are working against complete community and, started deleting their Dai articles in the name of one or another plea. If you are third person, why should you interfere in another community matter? You are advising ('you should not interfere') to others, have you analysed yourself?

I have studied 'Hasanfir' article history. You commented that other than Dawoodi Bohra are not allowed without 'Safai Chitthi' (clearance letter). How do you know this specific information and the specific terminology? Hasanfir location is very remote location, a small village, without your Qutbuddin/anti Bohra(so called progressive) connection you cannot come across this terminology and specific information. You are pretending of being third party. From your ugly anti Shia remarks you are not thinkable of being Bohra/ex Bohra, but a definitely there is very strong connection with Qutbuddin(may be a very very strong critic of Dawoodi Bohra, hence very good freind of Qutbuddin (enemy's great enemy is a very very good freind)). You are very very strong case of anti favourism and your anti interest on community reflecting everywhere.

Please excuse us. Don't show Mirror to truth. Truth will prevail. Truth don't require any certificate from anybody.--Ruksakba (talk) 06:51, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please mind your language for the comment above on our late Syedna and calling document forged. More than 12 Lacs people, Indian government and state dignitaries are not fools. The U tube video still on media was not just for succession announcement but it covered complete function, where one can easily predict body language of late Syedna of every activity he has done including visiting his father's grave. Mare clear pronouncement of succession anouncement is not only criteria. He has tried to speak that itself is proof what he intended to do. You can't make any depilated body to try speaking in front of thousands of people whenever you want. Even Circus animal can't do what you talk about depilated body. This logic and your thinking seem disgusting and shameful on a religious historical authority.

Let me make further clear that we all Bohra has seen another video telecasted all over our Bohra location in the world showing actual ceremony happening at London hospital ward. The doctor claiming miracle of consuming 'Sharbat" (sweat drink), I myself have seen the complete sequence in video telecasted. Sharbat was first offered to late Syedna on the Hospital bed, Syedna tested it than the entire person present there drank it. Mufaddal elder brother Quaid tried to bow down to his younger brother Mufaddal after ceremony, but Mufaddal didn't allow him and both hugged each other.

These all video and all the information presented to court can be declared in a press conference, but our ideologies restrict it. This is the biggest problem for us to find third party reliable source.

When we are true we need not present our internal issue to the outer world. Our Syedna never gone to court first or advice anyone of us to go to court for any reasons. We believe in harmony, many times we sacrifice/compromise our interest for the sake of peace. This is not our shortcoming but a very valuable culture. You will find very rare cases of Dawoodi Bohra in court. --Ruksakba (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly you should stop lying as it is very easily determinable with evidences that you are non other than md iet\Iqbal bohra , secondly even if some qutbuddin fan tries to promote\ advertise qutubuddin on wiki then even he would not be allowed, wiki is not the place the advertise , but present the views and not the truth based on secondary reliable sources. Thirdly All your allegations are false, I have not even met qutubuddin, nor I support him by bit. Even the cromwell video does not prove any thing in the court of law and there are already allegations on bohra forums of using body double of burhanuddin to meet the daily quota of ziyafats by his sons as a cash cow. It is alleged from higly placed sources that even cromwell video used the body double of burhanuddin. This is why truth is not always what one sees.

So if you cant find such 3rd party reliable sources then keep away from editing bohra articles. Seems to be Added by User:Summichum

Our group has made our book open. We have disclosed our identity our motto, and our commitment and desire to follow Wikipedia rules still you are behind us. You are spying us and trying to get personal details. Please don’t try hard, you now know the physical location, you are welcome at our place and we will meet you and give further details.

Could you explain your motto? Are you a Wikipedia well -wisher? Why your 99% contribution is on negative agenda on Dawoodi Bohra? Why your all articles created are either complains cases or deletion cases on DB? Don't you have any other constructive work? If you are so worried about use of only 3rd party reliable sources than out of lacs of Wiki articles, you have found only Bohra articles to choose with.

Don't try to explain your attachment with Qutbuddin or Bohra. Your negative activities very easily determine that you are non-other than an active element supported by a force working against Shia community particularly of Bohra.

You yourself advertising information [16] being propogated by extremely private primary web of Qutbuddin ^[1] and , now claiming that 'if some qutbuddin fan tries to promote\ advertise qutubuddin on wiki then even he would not be allowed'. Before advicing others please self dignose and behave yourself.--Ruksakba (talk) 05:11, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a press release where Khuzema claims that he is the 53rd and ascends to the office of the 53rd having headquaters in saify mahal, which is a known fact. And I would only concentrate on one topic, this helped me to learn bohraism in detailSummichum (talk) 06:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very good, if that was so big press release than why did even a small gossip didn’t published it? Where are your reliable secondary/ tertiary sources? Mr.Bohraism fan, keep concentrating on Bohra, it will help increase your IQ and may improve Imaan. You have rightly said: 'if you can’t find such 3rd party reliable sources then keep away from editing bohra articles'. --Ruksakba (talk) 10:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but this is not the place for such discussions, you can come here http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/index.php and discuss on off wiki issues.

^ "Commencement of Legal Action by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Against The False Claimant Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin: For Truth, Justice and Future of the Dawoodi Bohra Community" (PDF). Retrieved 3 December 2014.

[press_release-1] "Commencement of Legal Action by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Against The False Claimant Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin: For Truth, Justice and Future of the Dawoodi Bohra Community" (PDF). Retrieved 3 December 2014.

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