User talk:SNUGGUMS/Archive 2

Caroline Kennedy

I apologise for any inconvenience. Alongside user LosPajaros (though not directly with him), I have recently been adding public-domain voice clips of American politicians, nominees and ambassadors to their Wikipedia articles. While LosPajaros is adding voice clips to articles of incumbent U.S. senators and representatives (example: Ted Budd, John Fetterman), I am slowly adding voice clips to articles of U.S. military officers, past U.S. senators since the 2009 election and nominees to various executive branch positions, including ambassadorships.

The voice clips I am uploading to articles are in the public domain due to being part of confirmation hearings filmed by C-SPAN on U.S. government-owned cameras. Opening statements, which often list down the qualifications and policy priorities of nominees, are usually the only public-domain voice specimens of these individuals I can find lacking background noise, sudden tone changes or unexpected interruptions. Many other places I can get voice clips from are speeches to private organizations which cannot be uploaded (fair use not being allowed on Wikimedia Commons). Thus, these voice specimens, being easy to get, would serve some purpose for those wanting to know more about the subject without necessarily having to constantly link to other pages (even more apparent for obscure individuals where the hearing is, possibly, the only high-quality audio sample available). Prominent figures including U.S. presidents have voice clips, but I digress (WP:SYNTH is in effect here).

I am well aware that Ambassador Kennedy is, well, a Kennedy, but that did not factor into any decision to add the voice clip. Many other individuals I have added voice clips to (career ambassadors as opposed to political appointees, for example) do not have the same potential partisan following that Ambassador Kennedy may have. That said, unlike some other nominees, Kennedy (such as in the Booknotes external link in the page) may have more readily available voice specimens. I am not an American citizen; I live in Singapore. With this in mind, I wanted to revert your edit, but not wanting a dispute, I want to hear your views first. I fear that not doing so might end (I apologise for any pessimism) in mass reversion of any work I may have done in the past few days, and perhaps that of LosPajaros as well. SuperWIKI (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

My removal had nothing to do with family connections or positions held, SuperWIKI; it was because I didn't see anything of value it could accomplish that the prose didn't already do. Anybody who just wants a simple overview could look at the lead section. However, it is nice to know these clips aren't copyright violations, even when much longer than the 30 second maximum allowed for fair-use audio. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! In terms of the audio clip, would it be objectionable if I re-added it? While the lead indeed is representative of Ambassador Kennedy (which is more than I can say for the more sparse pages of other nominees), I still feel the voice clip adds further to the page. While opening statements often have the prior qualifications of the subjects, the voice clips are not intended to be analogous to or replace the lead; rather, they provide voice samples where public-domain ones cannot be found elsewhere. SuperWIKI (talk) 19:23, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Personally I oppose putting this back in. Aside from hearing what somebody sounds like, what does the sample add that text cannot? SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:34, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

At the moment, I have decided against re-adding. Unlike most articles I've added clips to, Caroline Kennedy's article seems well-built enough with sources and content to not need additional audio puffery. Regardless, the audio clip still exists on Wikimedia Commons as a public-domain clip. SuperWIKI (talk) 08:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Rotten Tomatoes as a source

Should it really be used to confirm an actor's DOB? Because I'm looking at other celebrities that have age disputes on Wikipedia and what RT has listed are most certainly incorrect because other info for those actors such as what year they graduated high school or college are on their pages(with legit cited sources) and those years don't match up to what the DOB that are listed on RT.

To give a couple more examples, RT has the singer Ric Ocasek's birth year listed as 1949. However when he passed away in 2019, it was confirmed that he was actually five years older. RT also still has John Leguizamo's birth year listed as 1964. Over a year ago it was revealed that he's four years older. Kcj5062 (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

It's possible such age updates came in after their pages were last edited, Kcj5062, but either way this is far from the worst thing I've seen used for a DOB. You'd be hard-pressed to completely eradicate that from all articles. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:12, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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CS1 error on Cultural impact of Taylor Swift

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Cultural impact of Taylor Swift, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

• A "missing periodical" error. References show this error when the name of the magazine or journal is not given. Please edit the article to add the name of the magazine/journal to the reference, or use a different citation template. (Fix | Ask for help)

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 04:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks like I just accidentally added an extra "e" to the end of "magazine" and someone else has already fixed this. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue

Most of Kylie Minogue albums are released by Parlophone/BMG Rights Management, with a star and letter K hybrid logo/trademark appears on physical release (as for example which is actually has registrated by "KDB Pty Ltd.") Plus "Darenote" is a copyright holder and not a record label (which has under licensed to BMG on the recent albums). Thank you in advance for your help and consideration. 113.210.105.84 (talk) 12:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Not sure why you posted this on my talk page, but very well. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ariana Grande

As you're a frequent editor of music articles, I wanted to consult you on Ariana Grande. I have been trying to get that article to GA for quite some time, but an editor driven by pure Grande fan bias has taken control over that article and has plagued it with fancruft, puffery, original research and unreliable sources, and would not let anybody else trim/tweak/clean-up the article. The lead, especially, is so unreadably large and extremely puffed. The editor would not also not engage in decent talk page discussions either. I am not sure what I am supposed to do. I have stopped editing that article. Must this be taken up to the Music Project page or admins' noticeboard? Please let me know. Regards. ℛonherry☘ 11:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Assuming you mean Mirrored7, Ronherry, that user does seem quite persistent from a glance at the article history! If the talk page for WikiProject Musicians or a thread on Dispute Resolution can't settle anything, then ANI might have to do as a last resort. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. ℛonherry☘ 14:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Not a problem. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ronherry If you decide to file an ANI, please ping me or leave me a message on my talk page. I have evidence I would like to add. (Snuggums, sorry for hijacking your talk page for this message.) Aoi (青い) (talk) 09:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

@Aoi: Sure. I will let you know. ℛonherry☘ 11:11, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Review request

Hey, I was wondering if you would like to take a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The First Vision/archive1 if you have time. Your comments are always appreciated. Best, Heartfox (talk) 03:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Not right away, Heartfox, but I should have something up within 24 hours. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ten years

This is a couple days late, but the most recent June 30th marked a full 10 years since I made my Wikipedia account! Some days have been better than others as I've gone through many ups and downs over the past decade. Overall, it's been worth sticking around, and maintaining article quality is still an ongoing task. To all of the Wikipedians out there who are still dedicated to keeping pages in good shape, stick to it for as long as you can! I'll do what I can to continue making them better, whether in big ways or small. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

"Katheryn Perry" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Katheryn Perry has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 11 § Katheryn Perry until a consensus is reached. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 11:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Reception

I tried explaining this to Smuckola on their talk page, but they are part of the group of editors who feel all response to a song, including chart performance, should be grouped as part of "reception" as it's how it was "received", and I was dismissed with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, even though I linked to the style guide for albums and the original way TenPoundHammer formatted the article... Ss112 22:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Those Wikipedians were fully in the wrong for trying to lump charts under "Reception". I could understand splitting that page's section with subheadings for musician's thoughts vs. what critics thought, but not trying to treat charts as a related matter. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)