User talk:AdversusImportunus
Moving Fireal to Inkakai[edit]
Your recent editing history at Fireal shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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Welcome![edit]
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Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. --John Cline (talk) 14:21, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
September 2021[edit]
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Sahaib3005 (talk) 14:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Fireal has been reverted.
Your edit here to Fireal was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (https://www.youtube.com/firealofficial) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. music or video) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy, as well as other parts of our external links guideline. If the information you linked to is indeed in violation of copyright, then such information should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file, or consider linking to the original.
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Sahaib3005 (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
AdversusImportunus (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
All of the links and information I provided was correct and from the band's official pages. What did I do wrong exactly? TheInkakaiRises (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You disruptively edited to protect your contributions, and only participated minimally in discussion. As noted, Wikipedia summarizes independent reliable sources, not what subjects say about themselves. I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia does not care what the band says about itself, a Wikipedia article summarises what independent sources say about the subject. Lavalizard101 (talk) 15:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Plus we do not link to youtube etc. Lavalizard101 (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
ge: EatMusic and Metal World are both individual sources, don't they count? why is it repeatedly prevented to add the links of Fireal and Inkakai interviews because they provide information crucial about this page as well? Regarding the name change from Fireal to Inkakai: if the band says they have changed their name to Inkakai, what else "independent" source can be more reliable about their name change? Should they give an interview to some site about their name change and then it would be more reliable? TheInkakaiRises (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)}}
Interviews don't count as independent. Lavalizard101 (talk) 16:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
The announcing of Flamer (ex-Bleak) https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/former-bleak-frontman-launches-flamer/ and Flamer changing name to Fireal in the globally known site Blabbermouth: https://search.blabbermouth.net/news/flamer-changes-name-to-fireal/ and releasing single "Breathe" co-written by Max Martin: https://blabbermouth.herokuapp.com/news/fireal-new-single-available-for-streaming/
Do these count as reliable independent sources?
TheInkakaiRises (talk) 15:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Not every comment needs to be an unblock request; additional comment should be standard, unformatted comments. What does "ge:" mean? ?
- Wikipedia typically uses the most common name for a topic, see WP:COMMONNAME. If no sources use the new name, the article should not be titled under the new name yet. The point here is that you cannot disruptively edit to protect your contributions, you must obtain a consensus for them. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
AdversusImportunus (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
You can clearly see from the links I posted that Flamer changed their name to Fireal and that Fireal released "Breathe" that was co-written by Max Martin. See the link HERE. The site that posted this news is Blabbermouth. These links prove the notability of Fireal and the fact that the page should not be deleted - however I cannot enter these links on the deletion page as I'm prevented from editing. I ask once again: are these links considered reliable sources? They look reliable to me. So, editing these links to the Fireal page and the deletion page should be allowed, correct? If I cannot enter these links, then someone else must do that so that the information gets passed along. This deletion is completely unfounded. TheInkakaiRises The announcing of Flamer (ex-Bleak) HERE and Flamer changing name to Fireal HERE. You can see Fireal's song "Breathe" listed in Max_Martin_production_discography TheInkakaiRises TheInkakaiRises (talk) 18:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
As you are now also under investigation for sockpuppetry, I think we'd all be better off if the block remains in place pending the outcome of that. — Daniel Case (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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Sockpuppet investigation[edit]
An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheInkakaiRises, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community. Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- The sockpuppet investigation has been closed without action.[1] --John Cline (talk) 06:46, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Addendum - The sockpuppet investigation was reopened, based on new information, and the following sanctions have been actioned: Sock/meat puppets were warned, the AfD for Fireal has been semi-protected, and the sock/meat puppet !votes at the AfD have been stricken. The SPI posted its second close, here linked.[2] --John Cline (talk) 20:50, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- John Cline Tamzin Lavalizard101 There is and was no sockpuppetry going on, the whole Fireal deletion page and this page was shared to several Fireal groups and all the fans in Facebook, these are clearly the fans trying to do something to prevent the deletion. Why are you trying to prevent legit information from being posted on the deletion page? I've shared all these links to the groups, with the information that I was blocked so therefore prevented from participating in the discussion myself. Of course others will try to prevent it because it is completely unfounded. And these links clearly prove that the site should NOT be deleted: Max_Martin_production_discography, Blabbermouth and their news about Fireal also in the movie Priest of Evil. Why isn't that information allowed on the deletion page? Now the people making the decision about the deletion will not be aware of any of the _facts_ that speak against deletion. The first No Delete comment with the wikilinks was speaking 100% truth here.
AdversusImportunus (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Old message: As the sockpuppet investigation has closed with no action, it should no longer affect the blocking decision (see above). My cut and paste edits will not repeat, however the above references to Blabbermouth articles and Max_Martin_production_discography should be added as they are completely acceptable. Regarding the name change, it should be noted that Fireal has re-released their song "The Smoke" as an identical version under the name Inkakai, this can be found in all the streaming services. And I have read the article. My only concern here is entering the correct information regarding Fireal and Inkakai because in its current state the information here in Wikipedia doesn't represent existing current facts. TheInkakaiRises (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
- the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
- the block is no longer necessary because you
- understand what you have been blocked for,
- will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
- will make useful contributions instead.
Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 11:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Friendly advice[edit]
I honestly believe you should read the guide to appealing blocks. It's pretty clear, based on the unblock requests you've posted so far that you haven't read it yet. I believe you will find it helpful. --John Cline (talk) 06:46, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Block evasion[edit]
Because of your block evasion with Special:contributions/85.76.115.184, I have revoked TPA.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC)