User talk:The wisest fool in Christendom

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Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your excellent, detailed work on checking the sources at British Isles naming to make sure the article text properly reflects them. WaggersTALK 10:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Waggers. I enjoy the task. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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British possession

I noticed that you have hurriedly created a stub, British possession, sourced to one WP:RS and citing various primary sources. As you will see, in this simple search among books published by university presses, the term is variously interpreted. We are really not at liberty to spam a large number of articles with sub-standard stubs. Please revert all your edits, develop your stub, take time to do it and then ask some editors at Talk:British Empire about which WP articles might benefit from wikilinking the term to your article. If you don't, I will eventually post on the user talk pages of administrators. Sorry to sound like this, as you seem to be a new user, but when such wikilinking edits are made in dozens of articles, they can bring down the standards on WP, as on such a scale they become difficult to judge Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler Can you quote any of those various interpretations you allege? A brief survey of the link you supplied does not suggest that there is any definition other than the one established by statute. Your allegations of "spam", followed by threats, are derogatory and unnecessary. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

You have defined the term in its very narrow legal meaning today. How do the two acts (1978, 1869) apply to Company rule in India, which ended in 1858? Please read the sources I have supplied, and I have supplied a minuscule proportion. Again, if you don't revert your premature Wikilinking, I will be posting on the user talk pages of administrators. The WP notion of an encyclopedia anyone can edit does not involve circumventing WP:ONUS, which is WP policy. Meanwhile I am going to tag your stub for what it is right now. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler I heave read the sources you supplied. I suggest you do the same and answer my question. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 17:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked for an example of the linking referred to above and found The Bahamas which seems good (although a trivial issue is that [[British possession]]s which renders as British possessions would be better—but don't re-edit a bunch of pages for that). However, the above suggests that acts in 1978 and 1869 cannot be applicable to something that ended in 1858 and a similar problem might apply to The Bahamas (that is, is the link appropriate?). I will not be entering that debate but raise the matter as it appears to be a strong point requiring consideration but all I see above is a debating parry. Further discussion is at Talk:Great Seal of the Realm and Talk:British Empire#A stub: British possession. Whether right or wrong, it would be better for a new user to ask questions and slow down. A more conciliatory approach would be wise. Johnuniq (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Johnuniq As I have pointed out elsewhere, "British possession" was used in law and in common speech long before 1889. The 1889 act simply codified its exact meaning relative to other legalese terms: it modified the meaning of "British possession" in the Fugitive Offenders Act 1881, for example. Like "dominions", which existed long before the formal definition of Dominion in the early 20th century, "possessions" had wide application long before its meaning was expressly set out in law, probably because both words have very obvious meanings. The meaning of "British possession" in this 1795 book is obviously no different to the 1889 definition. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 23:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

See this edit for example, where you have indiscriminately linked a term in quote marks, as if it is a pre-existing term with a precise meaning. You have linked your newly created page from about 50-odd pages in a few hours, spening less than a minute on each. They cannot possibly regarded as well-considered edits. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:56, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Kautilya3, it is a pre-existing term with a precise meaning. The meaning is precise, but extremely broad, and encompasses all the territories of the British Empire outside the UK itself. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

That is the obvious meaning in English language. Such terms should not be linked. WP:OVERLINKing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Kautilya3 The obvious meaning in English language is the same as the meaning in legislation. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 13:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Then there is no need to link anything. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Kautilya3 If that were true then, there would be no need to link to articles like "British Empire", whose meaning is the obvious meaning in English language. Manifestly, this is not the case. Please undo your unjustified edits. The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023

Hello, I'm Kautilya3. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. I share the concerns of User:Fowler&fowler. You have created a small page with a legal definition of "British possession", and mass-linked it to all mentions of that term anywhere in Wikipedia. This is WP:disruptive editing. Kautilya3 (talk) 12:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In one of your recent edits, you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Wikipedia's guideline on links to avoid overlinking. This is the correct warning template for the overlinking issue. Kautilya3 (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Which article do you refer to here? The wisest fool in Christendom (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of British possession

The article British possession has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Article is a recently created stub, it has the narrow legal definition and has a couple of tangentially related legal cases to bulk out the article. Removing fluff I can't see this article as being anything but a dictionary stub and as such not notable ie it is more suited for Wiktionary. Note: Article creator has vociferously defended the article at Talk:British Empire and has been active in adding links to this stub; even when not appropriate.

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