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Speedy deletion nomination of James "Jamie" E. Smith

Hello Trooper201,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged James "Jamie" E. Smith for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Musa Talk  01:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

I think you meant to post this somewhere else

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Preserved South African locomotives

Hi Trooper201,

Thank you for your edits on South African locomotives regarding preserved engines. You are however not always correct with your information when one considers that most of the locomotives can in no way be considered as preserved.

• A preserved engine would at least be cosmetically restored and on display to the public, such as the Class 15F at Kleinplasie in Worcester and engines displayed in towns or on platforms around the country, or at best actually in running condition and in service.
• The vast majority of the existing locomotives are in storage at various sites around the country such as Millsite and Queenstown and many are missing major components while stripping by scavengers continues unabated. These can at best be listed as in storage since future restoration is possible in some cases, but in most cases unlikely. These will include units like the Classes 3E, 4E, 5E, 5E1 and 31-000 presently gathered at Bloemfontein for the proposed new museum since none of them can be considered as restored as yet.

A couple of other concerns:

• You quote no sources or references, even though you had to have collected all this information from some source such as John Middleton’s booklet (out of date by now), reports or lists by SARHA, Fedrail and other bodies, etc. If you need help creating the references, just ask.
• Your punctuation often omit commas, fullstops, etc.

I’ve just spent a year working through all of these articles for the umpteenth time. Now, I’m 69 with cancer and I will probably not be able to go through another such large editing/expansion/updating exercise. I’m therefore going to go through all your edits for the past month and where I find inaccuracies as mentioned above, I’ll undo them or roll them back. Those I undo or rollback will show up on your watchlist, so please work through them again and replace your information, but this time observing the distinction between preserved and in storage and with citations/references added.

Please help me to make and keep these articles the best they can be! André Kritzinger (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Trooper201,

I copied your reply from User talk:Col André Kritzinger to your own talk page here where the matter was raised and where it belongs. Please post further responses here too.

Reply begins.

Hi André Kritzinger

Yes I think your telling the truth and yes it will take time or such to go over again, I am as trying to list whatever your stateing of preserved or storage, but I think you may need to write it sometime and on all engines,

That means like you told me in the section perhaps write the ones preserved and in storage on steam engines and that be up-to you from now on,

And also I think I do need help on all these SAR engines of South Africa what's left and what is not, Trooper201 (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

So if were to put in preservation list or storage then will add in the

Number				Manufacturer	Year	Balanced Motion	Location	Status	Notes
CGR	IMR or BR	SAR	Sold

Number			Manufacturer	Year	Balanced Motion	Location	Status	Notes
CGR	SAR	Sold

Number		Manufacturer	Year	Balanced Motion	Location	Status	Notes
SAR	Sold

Number	Manufacturer	Year	Balanced Motion	Location	Status	Notes
SAR

This is something you need to try out if editing preserved or such engines why not give this template a go, and also make a edit if you can of it and if no CGR or IMR or BR then give it width=45 up to two colums or three without too much and colspan can be 2 or 3 in some places so that's not that hard though and it could work.

also check out the document link below tells of all SAR engines, it was requested when I asked permission from Sandstone Heritage Trust to learn of all heritage engines.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1etp-ezkDpRHmjaK-LVNPQsypAMfL5aZLHnw6_RzhEME/edit#gid=285943220 the link is in discription here on engines so tell me which of them is preserved or incorrect or in storage and also as spare parts before I go over it again? thanks... Trooper201 (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Reply ends. André Kritzinger (talk) 10:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

The preserved locomotives are all known. For those in service and between major overhauls, possible sources to quote for each engine would be the web pages of the various operators such as, off the top of my head, Rovos Rail, Sandstone Heritage Trust, Umgeni Steam Railway, Reefsteamers, Friends of the Rail, Atlantic Rail, Ceres Rail Company, the Apple Express, and Paton’s Country Narrow Gauge Railway at Ixopo. If you have trouble finding any of these through Google, let me know.

The plinthed locomotives are all known too, those mounted on station platforms or outside stations or in town centres. (Unfortunately some of these have since been allowed to deteriorate back to "in storage" condition or even scrap.) An excellent source about ALL of them, with a separate blog page for each individual engine, is at Piet Conradie’s http://steam-locomotives-south-africa.blogspot.co.za/

All the rest on the Sandstone list at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1etp-ezkDpRHmjaK-LVNPQsypAMfL5aZLHnw6_RzhEME/edit#gid=285943220 should be considered as "in storage" until such time as they are restored or sometimes finally scrapped due to theft.

I know the table template – in fact I used it in 90% of the 256 locomotive articles. I would think twice, though, before I create tables to list preserved or surviving locomotives:

• In the vast majority of cases only one engine still exists.
• Many will be a short list of only two or three engines.
• In the few cases where several engines still exist such as the Class 25NC, a bulleted list in numerical order would be better for the sake of being consistent between articles.
• A bulleted list can accommodate a lot more information than a table.

André Kritzinger (talk) 12:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Trooper201, here are some of these source links ready for you to use when you edit the applicable engines. Not all of them contain all the information one would like to see, but most are very useful.

• The Sandstone Heritage Trust list, which should be usable in nearly all the articles.
• Apple Express Rail.
• Atlantic Rail.
• Ceres Rail Company.
• A few examples of the engines on Piet Conradie’s blogspot.
  • This one is about Class 19A no. 692 at Sterkstroom, so you’ll have to find each other individual engine (there are a LOT!) in the blog spot’s index and replace the URL and engine info in the reference.
  • This one is about Class 23 no. 2556 at Touws River.
  • This one is about Class 15CA no. 2828 at Vink Siding.
• Friends of the Rail.
• Paton’s Country Narrow Gauge Railway (PCNGR).
• Reefsteamers.
• Rovos Rail.
• Umgeni Steam Railway.

I guess by now you’re beginning to see why I’m not prepared to get involved in a project like this at my age. You’ll find it to be a mammoth task! André Kritzinger (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh another place you forgot to mention is or on facebook if have a facebook account or know of it's site is Hilton Steam Heritage Association which I have discribed that Class 1, 1276 is a privately owned by RSSA Trust which I have discribed. Trooper201 (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Note: Copied to User talk:Trooper201 where the matter was raised and where it belongs. André Kritzinger (talk) 10:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Facebook is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia.

I spent all of yesterday to collect you a list of possible sources and sent it to you, but in your edits on the South African Class 1 4-8-0 and the South African Class 24 2-8-4 you did not use any of them. The Sandstone Heritage Trust Locomotive status document could be used as reference in both articles – see my own edits of them today. André Kritzinger (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi and I did use sources for wikipedia on some steam engines like you told me to do so, and they're is one from Issuu.com site I used SARI Volume 4 November 2015 magazine which in that case got some guidence but it's is an old one from 2015 but should work out just fine. I checked into the 6A 462 and it's at believe it or not The Big Hole Museum in Kimberley which I used as one of the scoures. and the Big Hole Museum scorce.

I do apologise for not useing it before I am listening and I am doing them for you.

Regards

Colby James.

Trooper201 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Note: Copied to User talk:Trooper201 (again) where the matter was raised and where it belongs. André Kritzinger (talk) 10:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Colby, Here is a site that will be of tremendous help to you: http://steam-locomotives-south-africa.blogspot.co.za/ Look at the column on the right, then scroll right down to the bottom. There are links, by class and number, to a page on every surviving South African steam locomotive. I just did another edit of the Class 24 and this list enabled me to add several Class 24s to the list – Numbers 3611, 3612, 3638 and 3652. A couple of tips:

• Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and deals with facts. Things that may happen to a locomotive such as possible future restoration do not belong here.
• Work offline. Copy the whole contents of the edit box to a Word file and work there, then every so often copy it back to the editing box and hit “Show Preview” to look for errors. That way you’ll be able to get away with a single edit rather than several edits in a row. André Kritzinger (talk) 10:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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