User talk:Tyler Durden/Archive 2

Copyright problem on Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir and Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir

Material you included in the above articles appears to have been copied from the copyright web page http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-104-armymen-punished-for-human-rights-violations-in-jk-gen-vk-singh-1457257. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 19:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Triple Talaq in India

User:Diannaa this person is bias. He is trying to threat non-muslims to write on muslim related articles. Please help me what to do? NehalDaveND (talk) 08:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? Making allegations against an editor without evidence constitutes an aspersion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Kautilya3 I thought to ignore it, but since you commented and its happening on my talk page, I thought its better to clarify.

The user is talking about this edit by the way, where I clearly mentioned why that external link is removed, and nowhere used words like Muslim or non Muslim, let alone threats.

The article is in an early stage, and requires a lot of improvement. The readers will first expect some scholarly analysis of Triple Talaq in its Wikipedia article where various social and legal perspectives of the subject are presented. Not some external links where mere cases of Triple Talaq are reported. Therefore I removed it once, stating the reason. And the user added it second time without giving any explanation in the edit summary, through edit warring.

To NehalDaveND, go ahead google "triple talaq" and add ten more links like National-Level Player Gives Birth To Girl, Gets Triple Talaq On Phone to an encyclopedia article. I won't object, will leave it to your good sense. Have fun, Tyler Durden (talk) 09:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@NehalDaveND: please review WP:EL for what kind of links to add and the format to be used for them. The link you added is not appropriate because it is not about Triple talaq, it is only describing an instance of it. It is however an appropriate citation, if you choose to add content to the article summarising it.

Please make no more unfounded allegations against editors. If you make such allegations again, you will get a WP:Boomerang. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@NehalDaveND: This addition of yours is not appropriate. We cannot WP:UNDUEly have a section describing an incident of Triple Talaq on its encyclopedia article. If you want to document content on Talaq on phone, it should be added from WP:RS that discuss about 'Triple Talaq on phone'. Hope you understand. Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 12:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I will do as you say. I will find something this. thank you and very very sorry. NehalDaveND (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@NehalDaveND: Never mind mate, cheers! :-) --- Tyler Durden (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Paid edits

... are probably stuff like this. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Haha, I wonder if anyone gets paid for writing silly stuff like that. Given the content gets removed by other editors anyway! — Tyler Durden (talk) 06:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

I have filed a report against you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. D4iNa4 (talk) 02:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay — Tyler Durden (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

Your addition to Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Rape in Kashmir Insurgency

Let me politely inform you that there are ARBCOM discretionary sanctions in place on the topic of Kashmir, and therefore on the disputed page Rape in Kashmir Insurgency. In addition, when the page is a subject of a WP:Content forking dispute, even a POV-fork dispute, it is best not to nickel and dime what you can do and what you can't. Please self-revert. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: I did. I wasn't 'nickle and dime'ing with you, by the way. I genuinely thought, adding a page number would be okay. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

No probs. I have already thanked you, see bell upstairs, but, thank you once more. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:46, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hari Singh in Mirpur?

The massacres in the Jammu Province were characterised by their thoroughness, achieved by dint of the elaborate preparations that had gone before. In July 1947, large numbers of troops arrived in Mirpur and started irnparting military training to RSS men and to the Hindus and Sikhs who had infilterated into the Province. Firing was carried on in the ravines near Mirpur and could be heard every day by the people in the town. The villages in the vicinity were alarmed but when they expressed their fears to the District Magistrate, they were told that the RSS and the Singh Naujawan Sabhas were religious bodies and could not be interfered with. later the non-Muslins of the villages Ali Beg, Jattan, Pindi Sabbarwal, Samwal, among others, shifted to Mirpur town, the better to take part in the killings that followed.

@Kautilya3: Have a look at this. Also see a constable's account in pgs 268-270. Interesting. If its true, it says about the situation of police personnel (including the SSP) and the violence that had started during the Eid in 1947 (which was around 20 August) itself.

In Mirpur district, the Maharaja paid a visit on October 20th. He was accompanied by Dogra troops. The Maharaja ordered fire, whereupon armed mobs indulged in ruthless slaughter. Dogra troops and other lawless elements spread out into the district, specially in Tahsil Bhimbar, Manawar, Mirpur and Kotli, and massacred the Muslim population.

And can this be true? Particularly the timeline, is it possibly accurate? As I think, Hari Singh had lost control over Mirpur by then! — Tyler Durden (talk) 07:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The time of these events is around 20 October, which is documented in the Timeline of the Kashmir conflict. I believe the Eid was on 26 October, when the Pashtuns were supposed to have captured Srinagar (but they got stuck in Baramula instead). Did the State Forces arm and train the RSS volunteers? Very likely.

The situation at that time, from Karan Singh's memoirs and accepted by scholars, is that the Maharaja was losing control of the "border areas", most likely the Mirpur and Poonch districts, and there were raids on the Jammu and Kathua districts. That is why the Maharaja and Mahajan visited Jammu & Kathua districts, where the local Muslims are alleged to be helping the raiders. These were the Jammu massacres, which were unleashed by the Maharaja on down, the RSS, and possibly Akalis about whom we don't hear a whole lot. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:28, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

So that's Bakrid. I thought its Eid al-Fitr. I was mistaken. :-P

And if those accounts are right, how were Hari Singh and his troops roaming around Mirpur on October 20 and spreading out into the district slaughtering Muslims, when they were actually losing control over the region? May be the accounts are incorrect. — Tyler Durden (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

He went to Bhimber, which is at the southern end of the Mirpur district. Please do read the Timeline of the Kashmir conflict where all the known facts are documented. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

In that case, if massacres occurred in Mirpur district also in the beginning, our Population figures section is partly incomplete, and further weak. It does not include Mirpur district. — Tyler Durden (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

As you can tell, we can't tell very much from the census figures. I had it in mind to add this table to the article for a while. But the problem was finding the census figures for Muzaffarabad, which had included because we don't have district-wise figures for minorities in Azad Kashmir. More commentary still needs to be added, e.g., (a) the refugees that were present in the Azad Kashmir areas, who are not included in the census figures, and (b) the people killed in the Indian-controlled areas such as Rajouri and Baramulla. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: the refugees that were present in the Azad Kashmir areas, who are not included in the census figures - Please add this in the article, citing the source from where you read it, that they were not included in the census figures. Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 08:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Ping only works if it is done initially. If you want to add it later, it is better to use {{U|Kautilya3}}

Finding this info will take some time, which I don't have right now. Try looking up the sources here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

References

WP:POINTy edits

Please see Asaduddin Owaisi. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:38, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Please see Nathu La and Cho La incidents --- Tyler Durden (talk) 00:39, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Golkonda getting raided

Somebody trying to vandalise Golkonda [1]. Unfortunately most of the content is unsourced. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Ram Puniyani

He says he was born in "British India" and raised by a refugee family. Probably he was a refugee himself? About a year or year-and-half old at that time? It would be nice to know the story. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: This is what he narrates, only the first one minute! [2] Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 17:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Youtube also popped up for me another video on WHY RSS WAS FORMED?, which I watched a little bit. I am sorry that his assertions have no historical validity. There is enough solid work on the history of RSS, by Jaffrelot for example. I would have expected a retired biomedical engineer to do some scholarly reading, which he hasn't done. I would just regard him as an activist and commentator. Not a reliable source for most of our pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:11, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Hahaha. Apparently he framed his prejudices against RSS merely based on his own life experiences. He says of himself as a voracious reader, yet seems like he has read little about RSS of which he speaks quite a lot in his talks. [3]

And anyhow, what is your take on the line about a documentary in Yogi Adityanath that is sourced to Puniyani? Should it be there or removed? — Tyler Durden (talk) 11:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I haven't followed the debate closely. But if what we say is factual information rather than Puniyani's interpretation, then it doesn't matter much who wrote what and where they wrote it. It would have been better if Puniyani had published his review in a mainstream source. But the place of publication doesn't negate the facts. Are they denying the facts or they just trying to censor information? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

The documentary is real and it criticizing Yogi for his hate speeches is factual. No issue of interpretation anywhere. The IPs' argument is about the notability. They say that anti-Yogi observations made by Puniyani published in The Milli Gazette are not neutral and notable. --- Tyler Durden (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

Hello, Tyler Durden. You have new messages at User talk:Usernamekiran/sandbox2.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

It is about Nizam of Hyderabad. Your feedback will be appreiciated a lot. —usernamekiran(talk) 15:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Hey mate, spare my ignorance. But I'm afraid, I don't see any considerable change in the content, from the main article! Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 18:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Yup. I didn't make any changes except moving the content around. Except I added some stuff regarding SBH. Unfortunately, most of it isn't cited, but all of them are well known facts. You can see the diff here. ;-) —usernamekiran(talk) 18:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah mate, I saw that edit. Its cool. And SBH stuff is also fine. The rest of the content was already there in the article, and the unsourced stuff is also mostly not dubious, as you said. Probably, that's why no editor contested any of it. Now I'm not sure how I can be of help here. Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Usernamekiran Hi again. The 'Reign' section and 'Honours and legacy' section are in a pretty newbie state, and that's where we really need to improve upon. The 'Reign' section has no sources cited, and most importantly has very little mention of the events and nature of his reign. Some POV pusher must have written it totally. Its like a boasting pamphlet of the Nizam, with — supplier of diamonds, honours, contributions to Britain and his kingdom, palaces etc etc — all in the 'reign' section! And no negative aspects of his reign were added. We know that in 1940s, the Nizam faced peasant rebellions supported by the communists during his reign. Not even a word of it is mentioned. Also the mention of the Razakars, especially their connection (more or less) with the Nizam during the final stages of his reign, in the whole article, is too minimal (limited to only once in the 'Operation Polo and abdication' section with no detail). Regarding the 'Honours and legacy' section, it has only honours, zero content on his legacy, both positive and negative. It would be great if we try to fix these things. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 05:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, there is only the positive things in the article, that too in random places. That's why I had to move some content around. I agree with everything you said. Also the family section needs a little trimming.

Also I'm not sure which Nizam was it, Mir Osman Ali or his predecessor, but it is common knowledge in Marathwada that without his knowledge some of his men forcibly converted some people to Islam, and some men (maybe the same ones, or maybe even of a different Nizam) tried to kill other languages by making Urdu mandatory in school, with no other language. I never searched for this stuff online, but if we can get some WP:RS about it; I think it should be added to the article. —usernamekiran(talk) 08:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Please do it, citing WP:RS. — Tyler Durden (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Request

Can you help me develop this article Violence against women during the partition of India. Its a shame such an important topic has only 2 sentences in it. Problematics (talk) 01:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@Problematics: Its a huge project. Requires a lot of work. I'm willing to help, but I can start it only when I have so much leisure. Meanwhile we can try to work slowly in a sandbox, if you wish. Regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Problematics: [4] — Please see this edit and remove the tag after verifying the figure. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 06:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Reverts

Hi Tyler, with regard to this criticism, I suggest that you turn on Twinkle (in your preferences), which gives you tools to put welcome messages and warning messages on the user talk pages. It is counterproductive to repeatedly revert POV edits without explaining to the users what is wrong with their edits. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Refine

Just a quick note to say that this is not a very helpful edit summary, except in the few cases when you are actually refining categories or wiki markup. I use terse edit summaries too, but far better to say "expand" or "copy edit for grammar" as applicable. Vanamonde (talk) 07:58, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Vanamonde93 Thanks. Will keep that in mind. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Take a look

Hey there,

I noticed that you're an active user from India. I'm currently writing an India-related article here and was wondering if you can give me feedback on it. I think the article has the potential to be a sensitive topic, so any suggestion to make it as neutral as possible would be appreciated.VR _talk 09:01, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Vice regent: [5] - A similar article which was recently created has been merged into Cattle slaughter in India. Of course, it had no content. But you can use the couple of sources from there.

Yes, this is very much a sensitive topic, especially at present. And your article is currently in a poor state. It has to have more references and quality content to get published. The title would be Cow vigilantism in India. And the first line in the lead should describe it briefly - i.e., What is 'cow vigilantism' and how does it happen in India? The lead can be however rewritten after developing the content in the body. But the article should focus more on: Why cow vigilantism happens in India? Who does it, and against whom? Which organisations/groups are involved in it, and what they or their leaders say about it? And why is it important to take note of it? Also, the POVs/content should not be more event/case-specific, they should be broader, for an encyclopedic article on Cow vigilantism. You should look for scholarly sources on the subject, and write from what they say. You can also add what notable people said about cow vigilantism.

I added the page to my Watchlist. I'll do my bit in copy-editing and add sources & content, if I find some. Best regards, Tyler Durden (talk) 11:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions! Let's take this discussion to User talk:Vice regent/CowVigilantism. I have a question. And appreciate any further suggestions as I work on the article.VR _talk 21:38, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Reminder

Just letting you know that you might be wasting time arguing with a sock. Read[6]. @Kautilya3 and Adamgerber80: should let this know as well. Capitals00 (talk) 11:15, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Come on. The English skills of the two accounts are nowhere comparable. If you keep filing spurious SPI's like this, you are going to get sanctioned. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:45, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Makes no sense, their English skills are same, including the catchphrase "in regards to"[7][8] that we saw as frequently in Fenal Kalundo's editing.[9] Capitals00 (talk) 12:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Nathu La and Cho La incidents

Let me know if you think the article needs to be unprotected early. Also, do you think adding ARBIP restrictions will help? El_C 12:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I believe that article needs to be remain protected, as it seems obvious to me that article has been recently disrupted by a sock puppet like before. SPI is ongoing. Capitals00 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

@El C: Yes, adding ARBIP restrictions can help. Please do so. And regarding unprotection, I think its fine to do it now, once the restrictions are placed. The new user just has to be gently reminded of 3RR, to not edit war and use the talk page to gain consensus for disputes. Its just my opinion though.

As to whether he is a sock, I don't know. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 13:08, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done. El_C 13:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

@El C: Wow, looks like that some users may be more influential than the others holds valid in Wikipedia as well. Is it appropriate for admins to not independently judge issue? Anyway, as long as all users should comply to same visible and clear rules, this is not my business. @Capitals00: hmm, do I suppose to say something about the sock puppet issue? Well, unless the other account you suspected I have connection with is also a Chinese genic living in Australia, I don't see I will have any problems. You are welcome that I save your trouble to check user. —Fenal Kalundo (talk) 14:52, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, it's not your business who I ask for advise. El_C 14:56, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I, voidvector, would like to personally thank you for your contributions to Nathu La and Cho La clashes. The tireless contribution to the politically contentious article in the face of frequent vandals serves as a great example what Wikipedia should be.Voidvector (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Also as a Chinese-American, I feel the needs of both upholding Wikipedia standards and shredding light on Chinese history. The fact that you were able to find academic English sources and convert the article from what I referred to as a "casualty billboard" to an encyclopedic article is no small feat. --Voidvector (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Voidvector, that's a pleasant surprise. Thank you. :-) — Tyler Durden (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, great job Taylor Tyler! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, K. :-) --- Tyler Durden (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hindu-Arabic numerals

Hi Tyler, please put Hindu-Arabic numeral system and Arabic numerals on your watch list. They are frequent targets for POV pushing from both the sides. If I had the time, I would clean up Arabic numerals, but it is not high on my priority list. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 05:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Kautilya, I did. But I'm afraid, I have little knowledge about the subject! --- Tyler Durden (talk) 05:17, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Kautilya3, Is there consensus on the talk page discussion of Arabic numerals? — Tyler Durden (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, there was POV-pushing from both sides, but I don't mind "Hindu numerals" being deleted from the lead. It wasn't there originally anyway. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2017

Read the sources mentioned for the information added for Cattle slaughter in India, if doubt you are free to ask on Talk page.--Rashkeqamar (talk) 15:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Blocked users

Hi Tyler, go to Preferences > Gadgets. Search for "blocked". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, K. I'm still noob here. — Tyler Durden (talk) 09:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

vandals

he bro how are u .i need ur little help . i am new here so i dont know much about wiki. but like that day someone is playing with articles . raheel sharif who was the cheif of pakistan military . his caste is RAjput .but someone changed it to gujjar .he is continously doing that . and what is cluebot? many time i try to change it this cluebot reverse it . in the begning it was rajput soeone chaged it to gujjar then now if someone tries to change it cluebot reverse .it what is cluebot ? how to stop it . and aslo how to stop that person who is playing with article. i . thanks bro . i waiting for u reply Arampha (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Arampha: You're right. I'm not familiar with this Rajput vs Gujjar thing, but some IP changed it here in bad faith. I corrected it now after improving references. So, don't worry. And ClueBot NG is a Wikipedia:Bot (see also: Internet bot) that fights vandalism. In any case, ClueBot did not revert you, it reverted some other vandal. (see edit history) Another editor Arjayay reverted you. Please don't remove the sources present in the article while making any changes to the content. That will appear to fellow editors as vandalism. Reliable sourcing is a core editing policy of Wikipedia. You need to check multiple reliable sources and write content according to them, not remove them. The Urdu sources which you removed, also say that Raheel Sharif comes from a Rajput background (use 'Translate' button). I would suggest you to take some time and go through the Wikipedia policies and guidelines, especially the 'five pillars' that I posted in my Welcome message on your talk page, just a moment ago. Cheers, Tyler Durden (talk) 20:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank u so much bro . yeah i checked it. its back to original and i am watching on youtube about how to use wikipedia. and now i am gonna also go throught wiki policies and guidelines and those five pillars . Thank u so much for ur help bro Arampha (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)