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(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 13:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC) Thank you. Added them late last night, fixed them first thing this morning before I got this notice. Wastrel Way (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC) Eric
Gutting the List of Maverick episodes[edit]
Wastrel Way, why are you removing all the meticulously compiled interesting information and substituting an enigmatic line of description followed by a list of the guest cast? It's fine to make a guest cast list if you like, I think that's a great idea, but please don't remove all the background information that dozens of people have carefully learned and contributed across a long span of time. Build on what's there, that's more than fine and very welcome but please don't cavalierly delete the fascinating details that makes this site intriguing and leaves people more informed, increasing their enjoyment of this truly unique series while sidestepping spoilers. Instead of wholesale deletion, make useful contributions, like the guest cast, with the aim of enhancing rather than destroying the intriguing background information that's been carefully compiled over time and increases enjoyment for episode viewers. Work with the rest of us, not against us. Build and add, please don't make wholesale deletions. Your contributions are more than welcome but please don't destroy the contributions of others as well. George Raft Has Risen From the Grave (talk) 00:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- It's not my intention to gut them. But the current descriptions contain insufficient information about the episodes themselves, and stuff about the writers getting screwed, etc. which I think belongs in the main article. I do see what you are saying, and I will be more careful henceforth and restore some of the information that seems pertinent. I appreciate the feedback. By the way, see the talk page for the article -- many of the changes I've made have been made before, for the same reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Maverick_episodes#Massive_edits For instance " Diane Brewster had also played Crawford the previous year in an episode of Cheyenne called "Dark Rider," belongs in the article about Diane Brewster, not here, and "REASON DELETED: Completely beside the point. Has only the most tangential relationship to a list of the 1967 series' episodes." Wastrel Way (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC) Eric
- Thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it myself. I was just looking admiringly and appreciatively at your extensive work on the List of Addams Family episodes (you put a lot of work into it: you remind me of me!). There are differing philosophies regarding these lists of television episodes that will beleaguer us all to varying extents (imagine if you opened the Addams Family lists and discovered that someone had deleted almost everything you'd written for some reason). My outlook on the episode lists is twofold where Maverick is concerned: first, the lists should augment the pleasure of readers who haven't seen a particular episode yet, which means moving heaven and earth to avoid any spoilers whatsoever like the plague, because of course spoilers especially blunt the pleasure for new viewers who have no idea what will happen next in a given episode. On the other hand, just enough information should be there to enable someone familiar with the series to be able to figure out which episode is which if he's trying to figure out the title of a specific episode that he wants to watch again, but leaving the plot twists untrammeled so that he can enjoy the episode to the fullest after tracking it down. This requires a balancing act worthy of a circus. The business about whether the news that Diane Brewster appeared as Samantha Crawford in the first episode of Cheyenne after writer/producer Roy Huggins took it over at the beginning of its second season is very germane since otherwise it's highly unlikely that the reader of the List would ever know that despite the fact that it is in both the main Maverick article and the Diane Brewster article. I don't know about you personally but I do know from voluminous experience that it's pretty often that the first thing many people want to do after watching "According to Hoyle" is to find more Samantha Crawford wherever she might turn up. Some people in this situation are like us, master researchers who'll look up the actress' Wikipedia page and the Maverick page to investigate but, sadly, most people do not. It is a gift from me to them that this obscure but tantalizing information turns up in the episode list so that any Amazon Prime member, for example, can immediately pull up the episode and watch it for themselves. And I'm fascinated by the fact that the "Dark Rider" script also turns up in Maverick with a different leading lady in the episode titled "Yellow River," with Bart Maverick mischievously telling that leading lady twice that she reminds him of Samantha Crawford! (Back in the 1950s and very early '60s, Warner Bros. routinely recycled good scripts through practically their entire roster of television series, changing only the names and locales and a minimal additional amount if Westerns were transferred to detective series or vice versa, substituting horses for cars and so forth. This knowledge finally solved the half-century-old mystery for me of how my father usually knew what was going to happen next on a narrative television program even if it had never been broadcast before.) I have much more to add but I have to get back to work at the moment. I'm enjoying our conversation. George Raft Has Risen From the Grave (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well, I don't agree completely, but I hope you will at least agree that more organization would be a good thing. First, a "plot summary" (with no spoilers!) that I have been keeping to a minimum. Then sections for "guest stars" and "writers." Then "notes" which is where other information goes. I don't like the rambling intros, and I just called them a "jumble of stuff" on the talk page. A typical note would be something like: "Samantha Crawford played the same character on an episode of Cheyenne in 1956." Just like that, a fact without much detail, for the interested reader to follow. We do not need to repeat all the same things said in the main article and the Samantha Crawford article. I was thinking that I'm OK watching the episodes of this classic show without trying to improve wikipedia, anyway. Wastrel Way (talk) 20:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC) Eric
- Thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it myself. I was just looking admiringly and appreciatively at your extensive work on the List of Addams Family episodes (you put a lot of work into it: you remind me of me!). There are differing philosophies regarding these lists of television episodes that will beleaguer us all to varying extents (imagine if you opened the Addams Family lists and discovered that someone had deleted almost everything you'd written for some reason). My outlook on the episode lists is twofold where Maverick is concerned: first, the lists should augment the pleasure of readers who haven't seen a particular episode yet, which means moving heaven and earth to avoid any spoilers whatsoever like the plague, because of course spoilers especially blunt the pleasure for new viewers who have no idea what will happen next in a given episode. On the other hand, just enough information should be there to enable someone familiar with the series to be able to figure out which episode is which if he's trying to figure out the title of a specific episode that he wants to watch again, but leaving the plot twists untrammeled so that he can enjoy the episode to the fullest after tracking it down. This requires a balancing act worthy of a circus. The business about whether the news that Diane Brewster appeared as Samantha Crawford in the first episode of Cheyenne after writer/producer Roy Huggins took it over at the beginning of its second season is very germane since otherwise it's highly unlikely that the reader of the List would ever know that despite the fact that it is in both the main Maverick article and the Diane Brewster article. I don't know about you personally but I do know from voluminous experience that it's pretty often that the first thing many people want to do after watching "According to Hoyle" is to find more Samantha Crawford wherever she might turn up. Some people in this situation are like us, master researchers who'll look up the actress' Wikipedia page and the Maverick page to investigate but, sadly, most people do not. It is a gift from me to them that this obscure but tantalizing information turns up in the episode list so that any Amazon Prime member, for example, can immediately pull up the episode and watch it for themselves. And I'm fascinated by the fact that the "Dark Rider" script also turns up in Maverick with a different leading lady in the episode titled "Yellow River," with Bart Maverick mischievously telling that leading lady twice that she reminds him of Samantha Crawford! (Back in the 1950s and very early '60s, Warner Bros. routinely recycled good scripts through practically their entire roster of television series, changing only the names and locales and a minimal additional amount if Westerns were transferred to detective series or vice versa, substituting horses for cars and so forth. This knowledge finally solved the half-century-old mystery for me of how my father usually knew what was going to happen next on a narrative television program even if it had never been broadcast before.) I have much more to add but I have to get back to work at the moment. I'm enjoying our conversation. George Raft Has Risen From the Grave (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Thanks. Yeah, I hesitated to say something like that there, because I know it's opinion. It's good see a reply from wikipedia, since my genuine suggestions for improvements (such as suggesting that the Plot sections in all the Star Trek TOS articles are too long and detailed) haven't generated one. Nevertheless, I persevere. You don't need to welcome me, I've been around for years and I've written 2 or 3 articles from scratch that needed to be done. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric Wastrel Way (talk) 18:58, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Wastrel Way, I noticed your recent comment [1] at the Lia Thomas article talk page. Please note the comment above yours suggests reviewing MOS:GENDERID as well as the FAQ section at the top of the talk page to help answer this frequently-asked question, as applied to the Lia Thomas article. Article talk pages are not a general discussion forum, but if you would like to further discuss MOS:GENDERID, you could start by opening a discussion on the Manual of Style for Biographies talk page. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 01:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for answering. I did look at MOS:GENDERID and the FAQ page. I disagree. There is no reason to treat people who change gender and names differently than those who don't change gender or do change names. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric
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