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Cortinarius caperatus[edit]
This article is about an esteemed edible mushroom from Europe. Have scraped sources and feel it is as comprehensive as possible for lay readers. Also reads ok and got a going-over at GAN. Anyway, I feel it is within striking distance of F status so have at it. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Comments from JM[edit]
Hooray! This must be the first mushroom here in a while. Pleased to see it here.
- I confess I'm sad to see a one-paragraph lead at FAC!
- Is "free" in the lead jargon?
- "Bohemian naturalist Julius Vincenz von Krombholz illustrated it in his Naturgetreue Abbildungen und Beschreibungen der essbaren, schädlichen und verdächtigen Schwämme" Could we have a year? The significance of this may be missed.
- "double veil" in the taxonomy section strikes me as jargon.
- "species Rozites (now Cortinarius) meleagris and R. castanella (now Cortinarius subcastanellus)" This, especially with the cryptic link, is a little tricky. How about "species C. meleagris and C. subcastanellus, both formerly of Rozites."
- By boss, do you mean an umbo? If so, a link to umbo (mycology) would be good.
- If it's a highly regarded edible, perhaps "choice" would be preferable for the mycobox? Also, why the details about the taste after cooking in the description section? Taste in the field is relevant there, but probably not in the kitchen!
I suspect there may be a little more to say; I'll dig out my guidebooks and see if they have anything to add! Josh Milburn (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Ok, a few possibly useful comments from some of my guidebooks...
- ISBN 0855335009, p. 34: Favours acid soils in continental Europe.
- ISBN 9780753718650, p. 94: Also mentions acid soils.
- ISBN 9780007232246 gives the common name "the gypsy". As does ISBN 9780007466481, p. 322, which also notes that it's in subgenus Cortinarius.
- ISBN 9780002200127 has some technical details. "[Cap cuticle] a cutis with hyphae 5-25um diameter. Pigment epimembranal, encrusting." It also mentions that it is readily recognisable because of the "whitish frost-like veil and white ring". pp. 456-7.
I have at least one more worth looking at, but it's at the bottom of a pile of books I don't want to disturb at this time of night. There may also be some subtle differences in description, but I wasn't really looking for that. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- May have miss-typed some of those ISBNs... Any problems, let me know, but need to go now... Josh Milburn (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Great/thanks! I'll get started on these as this has been difficult to get info for.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Cas, how's this going? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Umm...the only book of @J Milburn:'s I didn't add was the one that repeated info as it mentions acid soils and about mushrooms of Europe as well (I nabbed the one just before it). Have I missed something else? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 17:17, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. I'm happy that my comments have been resolved; I'll have to look again before I can say I support, though. I certainly do not oppose. Josh Milburn (talk) 06:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- Great/thanks! I'll get started on these as this has been difficult to get info for.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Quick thought: I think it'd be useful to explain what a "double veil" is, though it probably belongs in the description section rather than the taxonomy section. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Leaning support. I'm reluctant, as I just feel there should be more on a highly regarded edible with an eyebrow-raising name, but I am forced to agree that there just doesn't seem to be! Josh Milburn (talk) 07:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
From FunkMonk[edit]
- Some authors are not presented at all (not referring to Persoon here, I see from last time why we might want to avoid nationality, hehe). FunkMonk (talk) 20:07, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- "a name thought quite apt given its wandering like a gypsy between genera" Thought by who? Seems a bit specific, since I doubt that's why it was called that in the first place... Is this idea retroactively applied in light of the taxonomic history, or is that really why it was called that? Also, I wonder if Gypsy should be linked there.
- I wonder if this image[2] or something like it could be used. It looks very different from the photo in the taxobox, which might have some significance? If so, could be mentioned in the image captions.
- Chanterelles is duplinked.
- "However, picked mushrooms are often infested with maggots" Does this happen before r after they're picked?
- Before - I tried to clarify. does that help?
- "isotopes of caesium", "potassium", Link all.
- "is a highly esteemed", "highly regarded" Source? Mention in article body? Also seems a bit much for both of these in the short intro.
Support and comments from Jim[edit]
I can't see much to criticise that hasn't been picked up by previous reviewers, just a couple of comments Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Christian —Why the Anglicisation of Afrikaans "Christiaan"?
- granny′s nightcap—perhaps give the Finnish original too if known?
- Common names include the gypsy mushroom,[13] a name thought quite apt given its wandering like a gypsy between genera—I don't like much about this sentence. Most of it is, as far as I can see, one author's wry comment, rather a widespread opinion. Hardly a fact anyway. Also the conjunction with the common name gives the impression of an etymology, although that's obviously not what you're suggesting. A real etymology seems elusive. OED has "gipsy-bonnet" a woman's hat or bonnet with large side-flaps, but there's nothing to link this to the fungus.
Image review
- File:Reifpilz-1.jpg needs a US PD tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Sources review[edit]
- Ref 7: Language of source should be given
- Ref 9: Year?
- Ref 10: "British museun" s/b "British Museum"
- Ref 17: 13-digit isbn formats should be standard. Compare this with 19, and check others
- Ref 20: Publisher missing
- Ref 25: I'm getting repeated timeouts. The fault may be temporary, but please check
- Ref 32: Gives message: "This page cannot be found".
Otherwise, sources are in good order and of appropriate quality and reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Support Comments from Laser brain[edit]
Great work overall—I can scarcely find anything to grumble about.
- Is MOS:SEASON a concern in such articles? Obviously they occur only in the northern hemisphere so there doesn't seem to be any danger of confusion, but I'm unsure what the standard is for biological articles.
- given most of the readership is in England and North America, there is a tendency to push for "southern hemisphere" qualifier. It strikes me as a tad overinclusive to write "northern hemisphere" every time here. It is clearly a northern hemisphere thing Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- You use flavour and taste synonymously... I don't believe they mean the same thing in culinary terms.
Awfully nitpicky but I don't feel like I'd be doing my job otherwise. --Laser brain (talk) 19:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- being thorough is fine by me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Cheers! --Laser brain (talk) 11:28, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- being thorough is fine by me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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