Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of deaths through alcohol/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:12, 1 June 2008 [1].

List of deaths through alcohol

I have been working on this list for the past 3 weeks: I have fully referenced and expanded it into what I believe fulfils the criteria of a featured list. Al Tally ^talk 17:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick comment, why does the title say "deaths through alcohol" Wouldn't List of deaths by alcohol, List of deaths caused by alcohol, List of alcohol-caused deaths, or List of alcohol-induced deaths be better? Personally "deaths through alcohol" doesn't make sense. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 19:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree; there was an old discussion on the talk page regarding this. I'm personally uncertain of which name sounds best. Perhaps others who comment here may have a preference. Al Tally ^talk 21:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good, although I think it would work better if the table was sortable. Gran² 20:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. Which bit would be relevant to sort? I'm not familiar with how sorting works, especially formatting the stuff that needs sorting. Al Tally ^talk 21:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The locations column needs to be expanded to include country. How come John Bonham is just a "Musician", while Steve Clark is the "Def Leppard guitarist"? indopug (talk) 20:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll expand them. The occupation is just taken from the list that was there before I worked on it. I'll make each occupation more specific. Al Tally ^talk 21:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I agree that the title needs to be changed - I might humbly suggest List of alcohol-related deaths is better. Furthermore, I don't think this can be considered comprehensive. Why not her, for example, or any of the other American college students whose alcohol-induced deaths caused new programs on campus or national nonprofits and whatnot? Why not Jimi Hendrix, who IIRC died choking on red wine vomit because a sedative overdose kept him from waking up? That is certainly dying from the effects of excessive alcohol consumption, since he vomited due to drinking too much, thus killing him. That's as much an alcohol-caused death as Ira Hayes seems to be, for example, where alcohol made him unable to protect himself from dying from exposure. I also don't believe that there is not a single documented alcohol death prior to 1869. Tuf-Kat (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure Hendrix died from a drug overdose - he then vomited what he had just happened to consume which was alcohol. OK, point taken there are other people. Do these individuals have articles? If they do, I'm sure they can be added to this list. I believe it's as comprehensive as far as you can document these things. Al Tally ^talk 22:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Nevertheless, if not for the overconsumption of alcohol, he wouldn't have vomited and therefore, would not have died (the overdose itself could have killed him, maybe, but didn't). Anyway, my point is not that Hendrix needs to be included - it depends on how you want to set the scope of the list, I guess. But alcohol has been one of the leading killers of human beings in just about every civilization throughout history (citation needed, I know, but I feel confident in it...) but this list includes only a handful of people from prior to the 20th century, and no one who died later than 1869. It also includes a whole gaggle of Americans, a few Brits and Irishmen, and one Canadian and one Russian. Some casual googling for the phrase "drank himself to death" and other terms reveals seemingly notable people named Colin Clive, Agron, Leroy Carr, Güyük Khaan, Franz Kline, Demetrius, Garrincha, Emperor Wenzong of Tang, George Frederick Cook, Guitar Slim, ~~Dylan Thomas~~ (oops, he is on the list), William Holden, Robert Greene, Attila the Hun, Jackson Pollock and Edward D. Wood Jr.. Our article seems to disagree on Attila (our articles also disagree on Mozart and Alexander the Great, though there appears to be a lack of historical consensus), and Pollock apparently died in a drunk driving accident (why doesn't that qualify?), but there simply have to be more people worth adding. Tuf-Kat (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Also Rory Gallagher, Bill Haley, Juke Boy Bonner, Gene Vincent, and John Panozzo, and there are several people on the List of drug-related deaths that aren't listed here (Leroy Carr, Bridgette Andersen, Tommy Bolin, others). Even taking all of my suggestions as fact (and I don't know that they are), the list would still completely ignore all of Indian and Middle Eastern civilizations, the Roman Empire, Australia and Africa - I'll bet any amount of money that there are notable people whose deaths were caused by alcohol in those places. Tuf-Kat (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suppport, this looks really good. Well done. GreenJoe 23:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose:

Biased entries as pointed out by Tuf-Kat
More work clearly needs to be done. If Tuf-Kat can find 26+ more people through a quick Google, how many have actually been excluded?
Read Wikipedia_talk:FLC#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
Table looks odd without borders—never seen it in any other FL
List is sortable, so all the locations and causes need wikilinking because depending on how it's sorted, an unlinked entry might be given before a linked one.

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 08:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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