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October 9[edit]

I have a question[edit]

When is it ok for me to deleet a page? Thanx, from Aiden [details removed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You can't delete a page, actually. Only administrators can delete pages. What you can do is nominate pages for deletion at WP:XFD or tag them for speedy deletion (also see WP:PROD). However, there are certain criteria that must apply for an article to be deleted. Full details of each of these can be found by following the links. If you can be a little more specific we can give you a better a answer. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Your inquiries here can be answered more directly and speedier if you give a briefing of your question in the title, rather than saying "I have a question." Just trying to help :-)--LastLived (talk) 04:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


I used twinkle for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Fight (2nd nomination) and in the side with past AFDs, two AFDs that are listed are unrelated to this. I don't know how to fix it. Joe Chill (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not a problem with Twinkle. The template that lists those is based on Special:PrefixIndex, which will list all AFDs of articles starting with "The Fight" regardless of the text that follows in the title. The only way to fix it is to manually list only the AFDs you want it to show. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Article templates[edit]

I am a beginning random article patroller. Will someone please direct me to the page(s) where they keep the templates (includeing deletion) to put on articles should we see any problems? Thanks. --LastLived (talk) 02:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'kll flag it just so I can have it logged down! --LastLived (talk) 02:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
You may want to put {{Wikipedia template messages}} on your user page for handy reference. --Teratornis (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The programs WP:TW and WP:FRIENDLY are also good choices. Just be sure to be careful when using them. Ks0stm (TCG) 15:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Disparging remarks added to a page[edit]

How do you control someone adding disparging remarks to a page of a live person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bomsniffer (talkcontribs) 07:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

you're talking about the Nathan Hodel page? you can leave warnings on the talk pages of the users doing it; if they persist after a number of warnings, you can request that the person be blocked. and/or you can request page protection; if it's mainly unregistered users who are committing the vandalism, semi-protection would suffice.
you'll find warning templates here: Wikipedia:WARNING; if warnings fail, you can report vandals here: WP:AIV.
the place to request page protection is WP:RPP. hope that helps. Sssoul (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
And see WP:BLP. --Teratornis (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I'm trying to figure out how the software handles username errors when creating accounts. (This is part of a redesign of MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount, drafted here: User:Rd232/fc - cf WP:VPT.) When I try to register with a # in the name, it says "Login error You have not specified a valid user name" - without explaining the problem. MediaWiki:Loginerror was deleted in 2007 as "no longer required", so what produces this message?

In a similar vein, what the heck produces the welcome screen when you successfully register? It's not MediaWiki:Loginsuccess, which is just a confirmation message. While I'm at it, how can we make the register screen less ugly, by fixing it so the box around "create account - already have an account?" doesn't also surround MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount, which has its own box already. "create account - already have an account?" should look more like a separate message box (maybe like the You have new messages" one). (NB the register screen in question is Special:UserLogin/signup, which only shows MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount at the top if you're not logged in. Rd232 talk 08:50, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia, and may not get the attention of the few people who might know about particular aspects of MediaWiki internals and Wikipedia's customizations. WP:VPT might be a better place to ask if you get no answer here. Read the links under WP:EIW#MediaWiki and WP:EIW#Technical and consider installing a copy of MediaWiki as your own personal wiki so you can poke around inside it freely. See mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick. These {{Google custom}} searches can answer a lot of questions about MediaWiki:
Type this To get this What it produces, or searches for
{{google custom|||Search Meta-Wiki with Google}} Search Meta-Wiki with Google Blank form to search Meta-Wiki
{{google custom|||Search with Google}} Search with Google Blank form to search
--Teratornis (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Uploading resources - Copyright question[edit]


The Clinical Psychology section on Wikipedia is very comprehensive. There are also Wikipedia articles relating to key authors and experts on clinical psychology. I think Wikipedia would benefit from an example of a clinical psychology resource. A resource is something used by clinicians which bridges between basic theory and research, and applied practice. It is commonly in a Word or Excel format, but could also be in an audio or Powerpoint format.

My question is: Will it breach copyright law if I uploaded such a resource to Wikipedia (i.e. is it OK?)? For example, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy commonly uses something called a Thought Record as a tool to achieve a variety of clinical purposes. There is a self-help book in which Greenberger and Padesky (Mind over Mood: Change How You Feel By Changing the Way You Think) publish Thought Records and their use in relation to depression, guilt, anger and anxiety. A lot of clinicians working in the field either photcopy this book for use with patients, or else create their own version on their own computers.

1). Presumably, a photocopy from this book would be in breach of copyright law if uploaded to Wikipedia as an example of a clinical psychology resource? 2). Would I be in breach of copyright law if I uploaded my own version of a Thought Record? This would look almost identical in terms of formatting and content, but I made it (by copying the above book). 3). Alternatively, sometimes clinicians will sometimes tweak (to achieve a particular end) the "original" Thought Record put forward in the above book by say removing a column - would this be OK to upload? 4). Would it depend on whether the resource would actually be used by patients for self-help?

Many thanks,

Andy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy Siddaway (talkcontribs) 09:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Whether it could be used from a copyright point of view depends on a couple of factors. Firstly, what is the copyright details noted in the book? If it clearly states that the Thought Record can be freely copied for any kind of use, then it would be OK. If the book notes that it may be freely photocopies for use by practicians, then its presence on Wikipedia would be in violation of copyright laws. If the book clearly states that it cannot be reproduced without permission from the copyright owner (which is the case with the vast majority of books), then we defintely could not use it - the fact that practicians copy it is neither here nor there in this case. The book itself has a copyright notice (see Amazon's 'See Inside' for the book) which states "Except as indicated, no part of this work may be reproduced (etc) without written permission from the Publisher". However, as the Thought Record is not included in the 'See Inside' pages, I do not know whether that is one of the indicated parts, and if so, under what conditions it may be reproduced.
In general, a copy of a copyrighted work is covered by the original copyright, unless significantly modified. In this case, as your (or anyone else's) copy would basically be the same content, then the copyright details in the above paragraph are relevant.
A 'tweaked' copy (i.e. without one of the columns) would still be substantially the same work, so I would think it would be covered by the same copyright restrictions.
With regard to whether it would be used by patients for self-help: Wikipedia is not a manual. As Wikipedians are not (generally speaking) qualified professionals in this field, I would think that it should not be included - this is not based on anything other than the text shown on the above 'See Inside' copyright page: "The information in this volume is not intended as a substitute for consulatation with healthcare professionals. Each individual's health concerns should be evaluated by a qualified professional".
Sorry that I cannot be more definitive in saying "yes you can upload it" or "no you can't" - it really does depend on the wording in the book about the use of Thought Records. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

kerry lugar bill[edit]

what is kerry lugar bill nd what were the facts of it on Pakistan? what are the limitation of this bill? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Pictogram voting delete.svg Please do your own homework. Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.
Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Wikipedia or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

How do I report the article as pure advertising?[edit] —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:07, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I notice that another editor has done this already for the article. For future reference, you can put a {{db-spam}} template on the top of a page to nominate it for speedy deletion. This template is for "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" only. If an article is promotional in tone, but redeemable, you can use {{advert}} to identify it to other readers/editors. --Kateshortforbob talk 12:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
  • For future reference, if you want to link to an existing Wikipedia page, rather than typing the URL (web address), you only need to put the article name in square brackets. In this case, you would use [[Croxley Green Business Park]] which would give the link as Croxley Green Business Park. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Can't access user page - getting "404 Error".[edit]

I can no longer get to my user page. I get a "404 Error" error message.

Here's the link:,_LLP

Can anyone assist me?


SennigerPowers (talk) 14:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Your user page is at User:SennigerPowers. The link you provided went to an article, Senniger Powers, LLP, which has been deleted. See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? for more info.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 14:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Your user page was also deleted (for unambiguous advertising or promotion). —teb728 t c 07:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


Question moved from talk page. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

What do I need to do in order to have the possibility of getting adminship?Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 16:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You might want to read the guide for adminship to get started. However, note that becoming an admin relies on many things; most of all, it relies on common sense. At least, that's my personal opinion. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 16:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You need a lot of experience on Wikipedia (ideally on almost every area such as CSD, AFD, anti vandalism etc). To keep it simple, demonstration of good judgment in the areas you work and at least a few thousand edits will be expected by most people at RfA. Some article writing experience is generally expected as well. See Wikipedia:Miniguide to requests for adminship. I wouldn't run just yet if I were you. Wait a few more months, gain some more experience. Don't make adminship your goal in Wikipedia though. It's not really a fun job, although a lot of new users seem to consider it as a position of authority and prestige. Trust me, it's not :) ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 16:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The best way to gain knowledge of Wikipedia is through article-building; why don't you give that a try? As you have been told in the past, you've barely touched the mainspace - only one constructive edit in a couple years. If you don't want to create articles, then you could try to get a couple to good article status or help perform maintenance tasks. RfA !voters will probably want to see a good balance of constructive edits to project space and mainspace. Xenon54 / talk / 19:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

What to do about an incorrect category?[edit]

I am working on the McCall's magazine article. It is in the category "Publications established in 1860", but the magazine was started in 1873. How can I remove McCall's from the "Publications established in 1860" list?--Karenthewriter (talk) 17:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

When you edit the article, at the very bottom there will be some lines used to add the article to categories. There should be a line like this:
[[Category:Publications established in 1860]]
That's the one used to add the article to that particular category. You'll have to change that to the appropriate category. But please make sure this is correct before changing. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 17:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It will probably be a week or two before I can get my information together and finish writing the article. I'll print off your response and keep it with my other research materials, so I've have it when I need it. --Karenthewriter (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Simple pedias[edit]

Are there any "simple" wikipedias apart from simple English (simple French, simple Spanish, and so forth). If not, does anyone know whether any are planned? Thank you for your time. (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

List of Wikipedias only mentions the word "simple" in connection with the Simple English Wikipedia. I have no idea what the other language communities might be planning. You would probably have to ask them individually. --Teratornis (talk) 23:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Mediawiki questions[edit]


1) Can you tell me where is a good help desk for questions about using mediawiki? Would it be appropriate to ask at the WP Refernce Desk?

2) as long as I'm here -- my goal is to get {{Template:Infobox President}} working on my own installation, at I tried copy pasting the code but that didn't do it. How is this done?

Thanks Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 20:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You copied the documentation page to the template, not the template code. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
For your first question, I'd say take it directly to Wikimedia website (and if there's a help desk there). It would seem better to ask such a question there rather than at a sister project unaffiliated with it.--LastLived (talk) 04:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)