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Dnepropetrovsk maniacs[edit]

Do the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs have patronyms? Our article doesn't mention them (small wonder), but as far as I saw, they're also not present in the Russian or Ukrainian Wikipedia articles about the maniacs. Nyttend (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The infobox in the Russian article gives Виктор Игоревич Саенко, Игорь Владимирович Супрунюк, and Александр Александрович Ганжа (Igorevich, Vladimirovich, and Aleksandrovich). ---Sluzzelin talk 00:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I ran searches for Виктор and Игорь, but I somehow failed to look in the infobox. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Healthcare and Death in the United States[edit]

Here's a hypothetical scenario. Imagine a retired American blue-collar worker - we'll call him Person A - who is a loving husband and doting father. When he retires, he finds out that he contracts an illness, which can be treated by medicine, even though he fears that regular doses of medicine may put a strain on his family's finances. One option may be looking for cheaper alternatives to prescription medicine, but let's assume that in this case the man decides to kill himself, because he feels that he has two choices: (1) take the medicine even though he knows that it may put a strain on his family's finances or (2) kill himself so that there are no medical bill debts to pay by his family when he would be deceased and long gone. So, let's say he chooses Option 2. Question: Can the man legally commit suicide because he knows that he cannot afford to pay for healthcare expenses and fears that his family would wind up heavily in debt and may have to sell the house and live on the streets?

I know this question seems a bit long-winded and convoluted, but it takes a while to explain the scenario and then ask the question based on the specific hypothetical scenario. Sneazy (talk) 01:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

This is not a debate forum
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This is not a debate forum. But why shouldn't attempted suicide be a capital crime, Sneazy? Think about it. μηδείς (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
All I am asking is whether or not killing yourself in this type of situation would be legal or illegal. Sheesh. It's either written into law, or it's not. You are not being helpful. Sneazy (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Sneazy, do you understand what states are in the U. S. legal system, and their relevance in the law about killing? μηδείς (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
How would committing suicide be illegal? Who would they put in jail? Or fine? Dismas|(talk) 02:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
It has been a while since my high school sociology class. Back then, we did discuss suicide and the law. While people who commit homicide are put in prison, people who commit suicide are put in rehabilitation centers. I don't remember exactly what the law says about it, but I suppose it may be illegal, and the defendant is put into rehabilitation centers. Sneazy (talk) 02:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
"people who commit suicide are put in rehabilitation centers"? Well, not really... they're put in the ground. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Seriously? Reread me. I said attempted and I did not say "jail" or "fine". The point is subtle, but not that subtle. μηδείς (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Medeis, I was not talking to you. Dismas|(talk) 02:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay. μηδείς (talk) 03:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Assisted suicide, Right to die and Euthanasia in the United States are articles you may want to read, along with Suicide legislation#United States. -- (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Wow. There are articles about this topic. Thanks for the resources. Sneazy (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Whether pro athletes "care"[edit]

I read this article a while back and found it fascinating. I wonder if there is any other literature on this phenomenon. While this article brings up this interesting point, I think it's a bit flawed analytically, and, especially, suffers from lack of meaningful evidence (notably the absence of quotes from the players to whom he is attributing this characteristic!). So I would like to read anything else that might fill these gaps or provide additional commentary. Thanks! ÷seresin 08:58, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

does injury really affect your efficiency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Correlation between individual's sex and individual's opposition of LGBT[edit]

Have there been studies done on the correlation between a person's sex and the likelihood that he/she will oppose LGBT rights? How come women are more accepting of LGBT individuals than men? (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't normally like to ask OPs for references, but what makes you suppose women are more accepting than men? I haven't really seen anything even anecdotally to suggest that to be the case. Mingmingla (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
For your information, I read the information on Wikipedia. Next time, I think you should criticize whether or not Wikipedia is reliable. (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I was just saying that it a pretty bold statement to make if true, and I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Sluzzelin below helped, thanks. Mingmingla (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Gregory M. Herek has done research on this topic, for example in '"Gender gaps in public opinion about lesbians and gay men." (Public Opinion Quarterly, 66, 40-66, 2002). From the abstract:
"[...] Overall, heterosexual women were more supportive than men of employment protection and adoption rights for gay people, more willing to extend employee benefits to same-sex couples, and less likely to hold stereotypical beliefs about gay people. Heterosexual men’s negative reactions to gay men were at the root of these gender differences. Of all respondent-by-target combinations, heterosexual men were the least supportive of recognition of same-sex relationships and adoption rights for gay men, most likely to believe that gay men are mentally ill and molest children, and most negative in their affective reactions to gay men. Heterosexual men’s response patterns were affected by item order, suggesting possible gender differences in the cognitive organization of attitudes toward gay men and lesbians. The findings demonstrate the importance of differentiating lesbians from gay men as attitude targets in survey research."
Regarding the part of heterosexual men's response patterns being affected by item order: What happened is that "only" 42% of all heterosexual men who were given the lesbian item first (before being given the gay male item), felt that "sex between women is wrong", while 59% (17 percentage points more) felt this way when the lesbian item was given after the gay male item. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
Your quote does not really explain the reasoning behind the fact that women are more accepting of gays than men. (talk) 21:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
You're right, I was responding to Mingmingla, not to you. Fixed the indentation now. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know whether you can access the quoted paper online (pdf-file). Herek doesn't explain the findings, but suggests trying to understand them in terms of different social constructions of homosexuality among heterosexual men and women.
More heterosexual men than women tend to see gay men as "abdicating the advantaged status of being male" in a negative way. Cultural norms of masculinity make heterosexual men feel the need to prove that they aren't gay, for example by distancing themselves from, ridiculing or attacking gay men.
Heterosexual women's attitudes follow different social constructions, both among pro- and opponents of LGBT rights, and their attitudes toward lesbians on the one hand and toward gay men on the other hand differ far less than heterosexual men's attitudes do. Pro LGBT heterosexual women are more likely to see lesbians and gay men as one minority with similar shared concerns (women are also more pro-minority rights in general than men; there are studies here too). Anti-LGBT-rights women are more likely to see lesbians and gay men as one group of sinners. But only few women worry about proving that they are not lesbian, for example, no matter what their attitude toward LGBT rights is.
As mentioned, Herek didn't study the possible reasons for the gender gap, but he refers to Kimmel, Michael S. 1997. "Masculinity as Homophobia: Fear, Shame and Silence in the Construction of Gender Identity.” (In Toward a New Psychology of Gender, ed. Mary M. Gergen and Sara N. Davis, pp. 223–42. New York: Routledge.) and Kite, Mary E., and Kay Deaux. 1987. “Gender Belief Systems: Homosexuality and the Implicit Inversion Theory.” Psychology of Women Quarterly 11:83–96. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Define LGBT rights. Do they include the right of a Lesbian couple to sue a Christian photographer for not filming their wedding? You will find regardless of sex that most Americans are in favor of gay sex being legal between consenting adults and most are against third parties being forced to participate in activities they don't condone. μηδείς (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Were they arguing that there's a constitutional right to be photographed? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
      • You'll find in the lead-up to the recent Supreme Court decision, pundits were say it was all about dignity and equal rights. Once it was delivered, the pundit comments were how its all about equal spousal benefits and nondiscrimination by public accommodations, such as these various cases. μηδείς (talk) 19:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
        • So instead of being honest (if narrow-minded) about it, they should have lied - like saying they were booked too far in advance, or were getting out of the business, or something like that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
          • Since we are talking about Christianity here, and Christianity is known to have the narrative about Ananias and Sapphira, I don't think it would be pleasing to God about how much money you owe to God. In addition, "Love God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself" send the message that how you treat God should be reflected in how you treat other people. So, if you lie to your customers, saying that you are all booked when really you are not, that may be tantamount as lying to God that you are too busy in worshiping him, when really you are not. Besides, the news story above is about photographing a lesbian couple in a commitment ceremony, not about solemnizing a same-sex wedding. A commitment ceremony is not equivalent to a formal marriage, so it does not seem to be a violation of the biblical marriage. (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Prince Joseph Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha[edit]

How did Prince Joseph Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha die?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The newspaper "Wiener Abendpost" (Beilage zur Wiener Zeitung) of Monday evening, 13 August 1888 has a note on p. 2 (rightmost column, bottom), telling that the prince died of pneumonia in the presence of his father. The prince had been a boarding pupil at the Vienna military academy and fell sick with pneumonia last Tuesday. In the issue of 14 August 1888 p. 2 (rightmost column, bottom) there is more on the family and the upcoming burial. --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 20:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The Theresian Military Academy is located not in Vienna but in Wiener Neustadt, some 50km to the South. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 14:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)