Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 December 7
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 December 15. Primefac (talk) 02:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Relisting a nomination 4 times is invalid, and it is unclear whether this wrapper infobox should be kept or replaced by {{Infobox settlement}}. Template errors spotted by some editors may be fixed by editing the template instead of deleting it. (non-admin closure) Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 18:17, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Replace/Substitute with {{Infobox settlement}} nothing special what isn't handled by {{Infobox settlement}}, only few inclusions. It is the only country-specific wrapper template for entities in the area of the Nordic Council. The template is named "Norway kommune" differing from the type in the infoboxe which are given as "municipality" or "former municipality". List of municipalities of Norway claims that as of 2020 Norway has 356 municipalities and that in 1930 there were 747. List of former municipalities of Norway claims that in 1958 there were 744. Whatlinkshere shows 675 transclusions. Percentage calculation using preceding numbers gives 365/675=0.54, that is only at most 54% of the transclusions are on pages about current entities. Information like timezone=Central European Time and ISO code are hard coded, there is no evidence provided it is correct for former municipalities. ISO 3166-2 was first published in 1998 and there is no evidence at ISO 3166-2:NO that codes for previous entities have been published, actually no evidence that any code for any Norway municipality has been published. The number of extant municipalities is similar to that of extant municipalities in neighboring Finland for which Template:Infobox Finnish municipality existed but has recently been replaced/substituted with {{Infobox settlement}} and then been deleted [1]. TerraCyprus (talk) 03:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 08:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. It is based on infobox settlement and it is used on several hundred pages. It specific to the country and automatically calls maps, coats of arms images, as well as reference data about written language form and demonyms. The template is well-maintained and correct. It should not be deleted.--Jay1279 (talk) 03:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Jay1279: it is not correct and adds nothing useful. All what is displayed can also be displayed directly by the master template. JelgavaLV (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see the benefit of a merge for this particular case. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87: but what is the benefit of that template in this particular case? WP:INFOCOL is quite clear about the benefits. Why can all other Scandinavia work without wrapper and municipalities of Norway not? JelgavaLV (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- Replace, badly maintained and mix of current and former entities, which make matters worse. As the proposer wrote, no evidence that CET and ISO are correct for all the items. Also the template doesn't seem to add anything useful what could not be done with the master infobox. @Pigsonthewing and Frietjes: there seems to be a tool for comparison? Does it compare the technical capabilities? If yes, can one of you perform an analysis? It says to visit Special:TemplateCompare which is a red link. JelgavaLV (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- JelgavaLV, it says to visit Special:TemplateCompare after installing the script. the script generates a list of parameters for each template and compares the lists. you have to have two templates. in this case, the script would not be helpful because
{{Infobox Norway kommune}}maps everything to{{infobox settlement}}and by inspecting the code we can readily see the mapping (e.g., flag = image_flag). Frietjes (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- JelgavaLV, it says to visit Special:TemplateCompare after installing the script. the script generates a list of parameters for each template and compares the lists. you have to have two templates. in this case, the script would not be helpful because
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The result of the discussion was delete per WP:SILENCE. (non-admin closure) Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 02:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Flag is only purported. The claim that the flag has been used by the entity called "Zamboanga Republic" has not been reliably established. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 December 15. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 December 18. Primefac (talk) 00:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox government. Primefac (talk) 02:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox Indian state government (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Infobox government (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Infobox Indian state government with Template:Infobox government.
WP:INFOCOL. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 13:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
- Merge : serve the same purpose. The main one should however allow more than 3 labels for custom branches, it is a little bit constraining for the time being. ✦ Cocorico Polynésien – ✉ ✦ 18:13, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm. Is {{Infobox government}} the right place to merge these? There's also Template:Infobox political system which may be more appropriate? There's like half a dozen of these templates, all low-usage, which should probably all be merged together. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Mainly to further discuss the last point by PR.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Agree with nom. Infobox government is a logical target and is a more appropriately titled infobox than "political system". Because the government box seems to be fairly straightforward (unlike the monstrous settlement infobox), it would also make a good central template if similar things were to be merged there.--Tom (LT) (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Don't Merge the purpose of the Template:Infobox Indian state government and Template:Infobox government are quite differentꯂꯨꯋꯥꯡ (ꯆꯥ) 05:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Other than that the nominated template has a needlessly narrower geographical scope, how are their purposes different? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
- Don't Merge the topic given is uncommon and government is different fron each other.🇮🇳DRCNSINDIA (talk) 14:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Merge - Both have very different usage which cannot be simply merged. -- Manasbose (talk | edits) 16:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Rather drastic turn of opinions, relisting a final time for more thoughts.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Luwanglinux, DRCNSINDIA, and Manasbose: WP:INFOCOL will fix all the problems you have raised so far. Consolidating all the parameters will make editor's life simpler. --Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 18:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Soumya-8974 the link you suggested and the two infobox in discussion are quite different.I have already stated opinion.let others comment..ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯡ (ꯆꯥ) 18:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Merge Same topic, no need for another template on it; arguments against haven't really presented a valid reason for keeping it. Zoozaz1 talk 03:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Merge as per nominator resquested. No need of making maintainance for this additional template.in.DITTO.gpr (SEALED) (ask.d-contributes)) 11:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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