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Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rajpal Abeynayake

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rajpal Abeynayake Hi what do i need to change to get this article to conform to your requirements, I can get the subject of this article who is the editor of the largest and oldest English language newspaper to get his bio confirmed if you wish. Also i have two references here that confirm most of the data i have in the article. The newspaper itself published a short bio today. http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/10/30/news13.asp Singhayotha Singhayotha (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

To establish Abeynayake's notability we need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as the article in The Nation. His own employer is not an independent source, and I doubt the Galle Literary Festival website is subject to editorial oversight - it's probably not reliable by Wikipedia's standards. So only one of the sources satisfies our requirements, but we usually interpret "significant covereage" to mean "more than one good source" - the more the better. Confirmation by Abeynayake would obviously not be independent and therefore wouldn't help. Huon (talk) 01:49, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Abeynayake's own newspaper is not an ideal source, since as editor he presumably has great control of the content, but it could be useful for citing non-controversial information like date/place of birth, schools attended, etc. In terms of WP:Independent sources analysing his significance, I checked out GoogleBooks, and there are 49 hits for his name, at least some of which from very credible works on Sri Lankan history and literature. I would suggest perusing those and seeing what footnotable facts can be included; not also you can turn gBooks URLs into Wikipedia-format footnotes automatically using http://reftag.appspot.com . You may also find more gBooks hits using search terms like "Abeynaya Sri Lanka" to widen your search. Also see if you can find any articles covering him in other papers (in any language), ideally with a link if they're available online. Hope this helps, and as you can imagine your article will be far more useful to readers once the sources are clearly indicated so readers know where they can verify this information, as well as learn more. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DeeVS

Article draft

Dee VS Birth name Derrick Kofi Abaitey Also known as DeeVS, Dee Versatile, Hook Master Born Accra, Greater Accra, Ghana Origin London, UK Genres Afro Beat, R&B, dance-pop Years active 2011-present Labels Hit Time Records RudeBoi Music Website htrecords.co.uk/dee-vs/ Derrick Abaitey, better known by his stage name DeeVS, is a multi talented Afrobeat and Hiplife Artist and the founder of Vibe Squad. He is signed to HT Records UK music label and RudeBoi Music. Dee released his version of Sauce Kid's Carolina track called Adonko and is set to released his debut single SHINE 15th November 2012 Discography Singles "SHINE" - 15 November 2012 "Lose Control" - 15 December 2012 Music career Dee got recognised from his time with Vibe Squad after releasing their smash hit Wadi Mi Sika, which got everyone dancing azonto in the clubs . Dee is currently working on an EP which is set to release in 2013. It promises to be full of energy and positive messages for young people. You can always expect nothing but future proof and quality music from Dee. Performances and Appearances • Post Club, Birmingham - 7th July 2012. • D'Banj Live, HMV Apollo, 27th August 2012 . • Ghana Independence day, Indigo 02 - March 2011. • Afrobeats Sundays - December 2011. • Ghana Party in the park, August 2009. References External links Official website Derrick Abaitey on [[HT Records]

Dabaitey (talk) 12:41, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

That's a copy of your draft. It's awaiting review. What do you need help with?

At a glance I doubt DeeVS is notable (yet). The Guardian, the BBC and GhanaWeb don't mention DeeVS at all, and the other sources look like blogs. He hasn't released any albums yet, so I don't see which of the criteria of WP:MUSIC he's supposed to satisfy. Furthermore, claims such as "multi talented" or "smash hit" would have to be backed up by reliable sources; it's much better to present hard facts than such vague opinions.

If you are Derrick Abaitey, as your username suggests, you may also want to have a look at our guideline on conflicts of interest. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Huon (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

My first article

Question: question

I have submitted an article in AfC. Initially it was rejected due to lack of independent references. Now I have added some more references. Is that sufficient. Here is the link of the article submitted for AfC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Mysore_Cements_Limited

Thanks, --Chansa Harsha (talk) 13:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

There are enough reliable independent sources to clearly establish Mysore Cement's notability, but much of the draft's content is still based on primary sources such as Mysore's own website or their directors' report. Primary sources must be used with care, and only for uncontroversial statements; content should be based on coverage in secondary sources. Unless better sources can be found, I expect we'll have to remove or significantly shorten the sections that currently don't cite any secondary sources. The "internal issues and conflicts" section struck me as particularly inappropriate. Huon (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fintage House

How long does it take for an article to be reviewed when a blacklog elimination drive is on please? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fintage House

Rosievero (talk) 13:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

There's still a backlog of several hundred articles; currently the oldest unreviewed drafts are from October 22. So it may take about a week until yours is reviewed. I just had a short look; I didn't see any major problems, but the prose is a little awkward. It seems more a list of bullet points than running text. Huon (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/S-FRAME Software

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/S-FRAME Software I believe I have uploaded this article only once and that it is an informative, fair article on an important topic. Please can you advise me on what steps I would need to take to get my article published. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU 14:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by N.Tagge (talk • contribs)

Actually you did edit the other draft as well; compare its revision history. The two drafts seem pretty much identical to me, so it shouldn't matter which one gets submitted for review. However, I don't think the drafts in their current form are ready for publication. The sources are rather dubious and often don't support the statements they're cited for. For example, the source for the claim that "S-FRAME is a suite of Finite Element Analysis and Computer Aided Engineering software packages that work to create Building Information Modelling for engineers" is a table which only says that S-FRAME's capabilities are "structural analysis". That does't sound sufficient to me. In fact, very few of the sources cover S-FRAME in appreciable detail, probably not even enough to establish the company's notability. The best of the bunch is probably the Canadian consulting engineer article, and we don't really make use of what it has to say about S-FRAME or its predecessor SOFTEK. Huon (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

what inspired Antoni gaudi's designs for building

What inspired Gntoni gaudi's designs for buildings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.110.80 (talk) 15:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Huon (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chrysalix Energy Venture Capital

Hello,

I'm having a tough time sourcing my article. Do press releases not count as a source? Also, if a claim is made (and backed up by a primary source like their website), should I even bother citing it?

Thanks

Jammer19 (talk) 16:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Press releases are cosidered primary sources because they're written by one of the participants in the events they describe. Wikipedia content should be based on reliable secondary sources, such as newspaper articles. Primary sources may be used for uncontroversial details (such as a company's founding date, for example), but they must be used with care lest we assign them undue weight. More relevantly, they don't suffice to establish a subject's notability (that requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject) and thus cannot show that we should have an article on the topic in the first place. So it's certainly better to cite a primary source than no source at all, but a secondary source is much better still. Huon (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Please help me edit my submission as it keeps being declined

Hello there,

I would very much appreciate some help as I keep trying to add valid impartial sources to my article on the Curzon Memories App but even when I try and update it, it keeps being declined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Curzon_Memories_App

I updated it quite substantially a few weeks ago and noone has reviewed it.

How do I get someone to have another look and if possible can you see any particular issues that could be amended to allow publication??

Any help or advice you can give would be much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Charlotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by Croftscv (talk • contribs) 22:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

First of all, you may want to read our guideline on conflicts of interest; it may be a good idea not to write the article about the app you developed yourself. I have submitted the draft for another review; you can do so yourself by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top. But I believe the sources are still highly problematic. There are many primary sources such as your own paper, your research centre biography, or the cinema's website. Other sources, such as blogs or press releases, are not considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. I haven't checked every single source, and some may indeed be reliable and independent of the subject (the Wired article seems the best of the bunch), but Wikipedia content should be based on such sources, and this draft currently clearly isn't. So it will probably have to be shortened significantly when the dubious sources are removed or de-emphasized. Huon (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)