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Property names

• Kanehoe Naval Air Station, Kanehoe Ranch Building, and a property in Kanehoe, Hawaii: all should be Kaneohe, Hawaii. Nyttend (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Foster Botanic Garden on Oahu: should be Foster Botanical Garden. Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

• Charles Montague Cooke, Jr., House and Kuka'O'O Heiau on Oahu should be Charles Montague Cooke, Jr., House and Kūka‘ō‘ō Heiau. The macron ohs in "ʻōʻō" seem to have convinced someone at NRIS that they represented capital Ohs. Joel (talk) 04:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing a correction note here. But we can't ask or expect the National Register to change their spellings to use those symbols in their database, which is just in English computerese. You can't even get me to agree that those symbols should be included in what we represent as correct National Register names for places. The National Register database people simply can't type in okina marks or whatever those are. Also, though I don't know how u view this one, we need to focus on reporting actual outright errors like clear typos in addresses, not preferred, optional changes. If okinas can't be used is that the best way to represent in English? doncram (talk) 05:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. The easiest solution, orthographically, is to revert to the older Hawaiian spelling that omitted macrons and the okina, but the NRIS has already recognized the okina by inserting apostrophes, so I would suggest keeping the apostrophes and simply lowercasing the cap Ohs for the spelling of the main entry, yielding Charles Montague Cooke, Jr., House and Kuka'o'o Heiau. (The cap ohs look idiotic--and embarrassing--to anyone who knows anything about Hawaiian, IMHO.) Then the content of the actual entry can cover all the niceties of alternate spellings. My preference, for what it's worth, is not to use the pain-in-the-ʻōkole okina template, but just to use the open single quote ‘ (Alt+0145). Joel (talk) 06:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• Civilian Conservation Corps Camp in Kok'e State Park, need to change "Kok'e" to "Koke'e" per the actual name of the park: see its website. Nyttend (talk) 22:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

• Battery Hasebrouck should be spelled Battery Hasbrouck (without the "e"). The nomination form https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/64000142_text spells it right, so probablly a scanning or transcription error. All sources spell with no "e". W Nowicki (talk) 01:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• The Archeological Sites at Kawela NRHP ids 82000150 through 82000170 all seem to be named "Archeological Site" plus some numbers preceeded by "T-" and then a state site identifier. But 82000166 is missing a dash from its state identifier: 5060-03-718 should be 50-60-03-718 to be consistent with the others. I would think that the other site ids should be "also known as" names. not part of the official name.

Other places where the state name is tacked on: Kamehameha V Wall, Archeological Site (T-20 and T-42-3) 50-60-04-706 id 82000174 Holualoa 4 Archeological District (State Site No. 50-10-37-23.661) id 05000542 Pua'a-2 Agricultural Fields Archeological District (50HA10229) 86002804 Mahana Archeological District (50HA10230) Kalaoa Permanent House Site 10,205 id 92001552 Bobcat Trail Habitation Cave (50-10-30-5004) id 86001086 Pu'upehe Platform (50La19) id 86002745 W Nowicki (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

[*[Francis H. Ii Brown House]] was listed with an "E" as the middle initial in the NRIS. This is a digitization error, since the nomination form clearly shows an "H" for "Hyde" as his middle name.

• Mauna Kea Adz Quarry modern spelling is "Adze" and almost every source so far I have seen spells it that way. Nom forms not available, probably because it is high on a mountain top so no "address" makes sense. Thus cannot tell if the nom forms spell it right. W Nowicki (talk) 20:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

• Kaneohe Ranch Building, Castle jct. Kailua, Hawaii (Ives,Albert Ely), NRHP-listed, is incorrectly spelled in NRIS as "Kanehoe Ranch Building". Correct: "Kaneohe" as per NRHP nom document at https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/87001150_text; incorrect: "Kanehoe". --doncram 03:16, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Demolished but still listed

• Listed on November 15th, 1982, Chee Kung Tong Society Hall in Hawaii was placed onto both State and Federal registers. But it collapsed in 1996, per its wikipedia article. doncram (talk) 01:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Listed on 13 September 1978, the Lishman Building in Makiki Park on Keeaumoku Street, Honolulu, Hawaii, was demolished before 1999 and has now been replaced by a public swimming pool, per the following document available on http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov: 1999-12-08-OA-FEA-MAKIKI-DISTRICT-PARK-MASTER-PLAN.pdf (retrieved 2009-05-03 via google search), from which I quote below. More about the Robert Lishman house, incl. a photo, and the effort to save the building is online here [1]. Joel (talk) 23:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"The 1977 Master Plan for Makiki District Park proposed locating a swimming pool near the middle of the park. The Master Plan Update proposes a new location for the pool to provide more open space and to accommodate other recreational activities and facilities in the Park. A Swimming Pool Complex will be built on an existing grassy area between the play courts and the Arts and Crafts Building. The grassy area is the former site of the Lishman Building."

• Listed on 5 August 1980, the Alexander Young Building (Bishop St., Honolulu 21°18′48″N 157°51′48″W) was demolished in 1981. Joel (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Reference:

• Listed on the National Register in 21 November 1978, the Kawailoa Ryusenji Temple has since been demolished. It was not on the State Register in 2003.[2] Demolition also referenced in John R. K. Clark (2007) Guardian of the sea: Jizo in Hawai‘i (University of Hawaii Press), p. 76 Joel (talk) 23:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

• Pua'a-2 Agricultural Fields Archeological District (50HA10229), unwittingly bulldozed to build a coffee plantation. Nyttend (talk) 04:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
• Aiea Sugar Mill, destroyed in 1998 according to references at the Oahu list. Nyttend (talk) 12:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• Listed on 18 August 1983, a single-wall wooden building already in very badly deteriorated condition, the Marigold Building at 94-837 Waipahu St. seems to have been demolished shortly afterward. Its much sturdier replacement building, of colored cinderblock with tile roof, houses medical offices and the Leeward Oahu Pharmacy. I could find no "Marigold" in any of the Hawaii Register of Historic Places listings I've seen dated 2001 through 2009.

• Listed July 20, 1978, Chee Ying Society 78001014 building is shown as demolished (Delisted 6/30/2007) on the state listings. W Nowicki (talk) 03:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

County location issue

• Kalaupapa Leprosy Settlement and National Historical Park is recorded in Maui County, Hawaii in NRIS, listed as "Kalaupapa National Historical Park" on January 07, 1976, while in fact it is located in Kalawao County, Hawaii, a small county covering the former leper colony part of Molokai Island (otherwise covered by Maui County). Error noted by User:Viriditas. doncram (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Central Intermediate School of Honolulu, Hawaii, may be listed in NRIS as being in Hawaii County, Hawaii, but Honolulu is in Honolulu County, Hawaii. doncram (talk) 07:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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• Opana Radar Site is a National Historic Landmark that commemorates the first operational use of radar by the United States in wartime, during the attack on Pearl Harbor. It is located off the Kamehameha Highway on Oahu, Hawaii, in Hawaii County, Hawaii at or near Kawela Bay, Hawai'i. The National Register system lists it at or near Kawela, Hawaii, which is more commonly used as the name of a different location on Maui Island, in Maui County. Distinction of Bay vs. not-bay explained by Viriditas. doncram (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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Town location issue

• Tong Wo Society Building is listed in Halawa, Hawaii (on island of Oahu), but its coords and everything else place it in Halaula, Hawaii (on island of Hawaii). It's properly listed as being in Hawaii County, rather than Honolulu. Nyttend (talk) 06:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Street address issues

• Mabel Smyth Memorial Building on Oahu: listed at 501 Punchbowl St., but source on the Oahu list says 510 South Beretania St. Nyttend (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
• Marigold Building on Oahu: listed at 97-837 Waipahu St., but Waipahu St. ends at 94-1000 block. I drove the length of it yesterday. The only 9?-837 Waipahu St. that I can find is 94-837, a rather nondescript doctor's office/pharmacy bldg of recent construction that I photographed today. Nobody we asked knew anything about no Marigold Building 'round those parts! I can't turn up anything relevant via search engines. And the various nps.gov URLs where I've searched for the original docs have all timed out on me. Perhaps they're moving servers or something. Anyway, 97-837 is wrong, wrong, wrong, but no sources have yet turned up for a correction. Joel (talk) 02:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC) UPDATE: NPS is up again. There is a typo in the NRIS metadata street number. The application form https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/83000250_text shows 94-837. The old building there has been replaced, but it still functions as a medical office, the Leeward Oahu Pharmacy. However, the Marigold Building seems to have been removed from the Hawaii Register of Historic Places, perhaps when it was demolished and replaced. I have not found either "Marigold" or "Waipahu" on any of the listings I have seen dated 2001 through 2009. Joel (talk) 21:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• S. Hata Building in Hilo, Hawaii County, address is really 308 Kamehameha Avenue. The nomination form lists 318 which is also reported by the NRIS. But the county tax records show nothing at that address, and the tenants of the building use the 308 address. The number "308" is clearly on a sign out front. Also the name of the property is odd in the database. It is listed as "Hata, S., Building" which means a search for "Hata Building" does not find it. It also makes me wonder about the name given as "Sadanusoke Hata" as well as "Sadanouke Hata" in the nomination. since I find no references to neither of those names outside of the nomination form, so not sure of correct spelling. W Nowicki (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I am now doing the article, and the person's name is Sadanosuke Hata, who was the brother of Yoichi Hata, who seems also quite notable, so I will talk a little about them both. I still do not have a death date for either, however. W Nowicki (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Volcano Block Building in the town of Hilo, Hawaii has a mis-spelled street name in the NRIS. The nomination form spells it wrong on the "Location" line on the first page, but spells is correctly two times in the body! Doesn't anyone check these things for consistency? "Wianuenue Avenue" is wrong and the correct spelling is "Waianuenue Avenue". Sorry for the plethora of vowels, but Waianuenue is the Hawaiian Language ("Rainbow River") name for the adjacent river. The Tax Map Key in the nomination form is also wrong, but those probably change through time so not a big deal. There are also double dashes in the address, "27--37" for some reason in the NRIS. W Nowicki (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• W. H. Shipman House has the address 141 Kalulani in the database. It should be 141 Kaiulani Street. THe Hawaiian vowels strike again. It is also in the database as the name "Shipman, W. H., House" which means searching for "Shipman House" does not find it, but I guess that is the convention. The nomination form spells the street name correctly. Also note the Thomas Guard House site 03001311 is on the same street and spelled correctly in the database. W Nowicki (talk) 23:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Followup: the street is named after Princess Ka'iulani, so the Shipman House web site for example spells it with the ʻokina as would be proper in the Hawaiian language. But I think I am losing that battle. W Nowicki (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Your showing okina in address would be fine per consensus at Talk:List of RHPs in HI. I fixed an article link for this house just now, and created Shipman House disambiguation page just now, including link to this article. The address correction still needs to be reported to the National Register. Thanks! --doncram (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thomas Alexander Burningham House in Honolulu is listed at "2849 Pall Highway", but Google Maps and the nearby Frederick Ohrt House (almost next door) show this to be the "Pali Highway". Nyttend (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
• Civilian Conservation Corps Camp in Kok'e State Park is listed at "HI 550 at Kok'e State Park Headquarters"; need to change "Kok'e" to "Koke'e" per the actual name of the park: see its website. Nyttend (talk) 22:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
• Volcano Block Building in Hilo is listed along "Wianuenue Avenue"; proper spelling is "Waianuenue Avenue". Nyttend (talk) 00:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
• Waioli Mission District was listed as "Off Hawaii Route 56" but the highway here is number 560, as given correctly by other sites such as the road itself, Kaua'i Belt Road-North Shore section. The nom form left address blank, and someone filled it in by hand, probably from an old USGS map. W Nowicki (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Coordinates issues

It's not necessary to post coordinates correction information. Most NRIS coordinates are a bit off, and can just be corrected. Many are systematically off by a hundred yards or so because they were originally recorded, accurately, using the best available mapping, but there was a 1985 map coordinates update which shifted everything. Also, the map coordinates that wikipedia editors have used in NRHP infoboxes are not necessarily even the latest/best version of coordinates that the National Park Service has. --doncram (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Pu'uhonua O Honaunau National Historical Park was placed at 19°35′45″N 155°58′36″W, in the Pacific Ocean about 14 miles N-NW of its actual location at 19°25′21.972″N 155°54′35.028″W. Nyttend (talk) 02:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)