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When is a player's pro career over?[edit]

I was looking at Dwayne Collins, a 2010 NBA draft pick who played one season in Italy ( profile here). Is it safe to assume this guy is done playing? This will be his fifth season off according to anything I can find on the web. Can we come to some sort of consensus around this, because not every notable player is high profile enough for their retirement to make the news. Seems like one year of not playing is too soon, but after maybe 3 or 4 I think it's silly for the pro career to have "–present" on it. Thoughts? Rikster2 (talk) 23:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

We could just get rid of the career span altogether like Template:Infobox NFL player did. The career span can be inferred from the career history, except in the less common cases where we might know a players career span but not all the teams they played. Removing the span wouldn't solve the issue of when to place "former" in the lead, but that's less glaring than seeing "–present".—Bagumba (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
If there's no evidence that he has even tried to join a team for a couple of years, I think it's safe to describe him as a former player. It sounds like Collins had a pretty serious knee injury that kept him sidelined for a while: [1]. I'm not seeing any news on him beyond 2013.
I agree that we should get rid of the career span when things are ambiguous. I think you can just leave that (and the team field) blank. If you really want to play things safe, you could probably reword the first sentence to avoid a "[So and so] is a..." statement. Zagalejo^^^ 05:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Any thoughts on removing the career span support from the template altogether?—Bagumba (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Guys, Collins didn't even play for the Italian team. He got injured shortly after signing with the team and never suited up (there are no stats on eurobasket or here). So he actually should have nothing in that field anyway. He has never played a professional game, other than five summer league games with Phoenix in 2013. My point being, Collins is not a good example. DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Mainly this concerns template {{Infobox basketball biography}} and its documentation, evidently parameters |career_start |career_end |years1 |coach_start |coach_end. Parameters are documented in both sections 3 and 8.
Offhand, Bagumba's suggestion is reasonable. --P64 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
If we were to get rid of career_start and career_end (which I am open to if that's the consensus opinion), then we should probably also remove coach_start and coach_end. Rikster2 (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I'd support removing it from both player and coach infoboxes. I think it's even harder to define the end of a coach's career. Zagalejo^^^ 04:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

One caveat I found is that "career_end" is currently used to control if career playing stats are allowed to be displayed in the infobox. If we no longer have that parameter, we lose a way to control the display of stats. Personally, I think that is a good throttle, as I like how we generally don't have daily stats edits for players (sometimes in the tables though), which you then have to worry if it's out of date, or having to track "updated as of" notes. Ideas on how to proceed, or stick with status quo?—Bagumba (talk) 07:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Ugh. These infoboxes are too complicated. :) It seems that the stats will display if the career end date is simply a question mark. Maybe that's an option to consider in certain situations. If there has to be something in that field, I'd rather use a question mark than guess what the end date should be. Zagalejo^^^ 01:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

International career[edit]

Most bios have a section named "International career" when they are talking about the player's career on a national team. I'd propose to rename the section "National team" or "National team career". "International" likely started from NBA articles, as American NBA players typically didn't play internationally except on the US national team. However, with globalization, most players—even Americans— are playing in multiple countries in their career. Dropping "international" would be more accurate and less confusing.—Bagumba (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I'd be in favor of this. –HTD 06:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Agreed Rikster2 (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Juevol Myles[edit]

Dear basketball experts: Is this a notable player? If so, the draft can be improved by trimming some excessive detail nad adding references such as this and this. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I'd say he's borderline notable, at best. He averaged double figures for a Division 1 team and has played pro ball in Europe (if not in the actual Euroleague), so he has that going for him. That said, there's very little in the draft that's actually worth keeping. Most of the information in the early life section is probably impossible to source; a good chunk of the college section is simply copied from his school profile; and the pro career section is out of date. I don't think this is an article that we really need, and since it would have to be re-written from the ground up, I'd just toss it. Zagalejo^^^ 01:41, 29 November 2015 (UTC)